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Why is it about MAB or Airasia? Don't we have Malindo too? They can easily fill the gap left by MAB. And if MAB closes down, I think there might be one or two airline wannabes setting up to fill the gap too. We should not be so transfixed with MAB. It is exactly the Proton of the airline industry for us. We have viable alternatives. Without MAB, we will see them grow even faster. As for protecting consumers, we now have MAVCOM as the watchdog. So consumers are not going to be left totally unprotected.

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Due to long lead time in procurement, training, etc. Mh needs to start with a 10 years vision or objective. This vision or objective needs to be convincing, achievable and bankable. So far, none of recent CEO/chairman has visualize.

 

After this vision is sold to stakeholders, the management could work towards it.

 

To derives a convincing business model, mh needs to think and bring a whole management team from outside of the kampung.

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Why is it about MAB or Airasia? Don't we have Malindo too? They can easily fill the gap left by MAB. And if MAB closes down, I think there might be one or two airline wannabes setting up to fill the gap too. We should not be so transfixed with MAB. It is exactly the Proton of the airline industry for us. We have viable alternatives. Without MAB, we will see them grow even faster. As for protecting consumers, we now have MAVCOM as the watchdog. So consumers are not going to be left totally unprotected.

 

If Malindo can grow viably, they would have done so. But instead they've been stagnant.

 

And those airline wannabees isn't going to fly if they can't fly now. They'll be like the wannabees in other countries that are here one moment, gone the next.

 

MAB is hardly the Proton of the airline industry.

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Why is it about MAB or Airasia? Don't we have Malindo too? They can easily fill the gap left by MAB. And if MAB closes down, I think there might be one or two airline wannabes setting up to fill the gap too. We should not be so transfixed with MAB. It is exactly the Proton of the airline industry for us. We have viable alternatives. Without MAB, we will see them grow even faster. As for protecting consumers, we now have MAVCOM as the watchdog. So consumers are not going to be left totally unprotected.

I'll take malindo anytime provided they could have adequate sectors and proper fleet. But even they are having a hard time keeping tech crew. Same s#1t for them anything requested to Lion group gets turned away. Where's the a330? No where to be seen even. About 20+ ported out this quoter of the year and they don't have active cadet programs relying solely on hiring experienced crew. They're also notorious for heavy cancelations.

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We are discussing as if MH goes bust and it's all doom and gloom with AK raising the price, etc.

 

Back then with only MH around we also didn't expected the formation of Air Asia, the tremendous growth it gained and the dominance they have now. So there is no saying that another airline would not appear in the future in any situation. Maybe with the gap left behind with MH out of the picture OD will be more aggressive. By then they only have a straight fight with Air Asia.

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We are discussing as if MH goes bust and it's all doom and gloom with AK raising the price, etc.

 

Back then with only MH around we also didn't expected the formation of Air Asia, the tremendous growth it gained and the dominance they have now. So there is no saying that another airline would not appear in the future in any situation. Maybe with the gap left behind with MH out of the picture OD will be more aggressive. By then they only have a straight fight with Air Asia.

 

It's based on historical precedence in other markets.

 

And Malaysia isn't really a consumer's haven where competition is encouraged.

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Malaysia Airlines short on pilots as demand soars, says CEO

 

https://www.malaymail.com/s/1656398/malaysia-airlines-short-on-pilots-as-demand-soars-says-ceo

“I must acknowledge that there was some fault on our part — some mis-planning in early 2017,” said Izham.

 

It has turned out to be good news for the pilots on the payroll.

Malaysia Airlines has had to increase their salary a couple of times to prevent them from being poached by other airlines.

 

Hopefully they would ride the issue through lol.

Edited by jahur

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MH salary package is a joke if they expect crew to accept near-LCC ish pay to work for a "premium" airline.

 

Almost every airline in Asia Pacific has ten's of aircraft on order, and the situation will get even worse if MH doesn't arrest the issue now and have a long term plan for next 10 years. StarLux, Taiwan third airline is on the horizon, and Taiwan has a affinity for Malaysians crew. Hope MH gets thus message.

 

"MH is not the Proton of aviation industry??" It is unfortunately. MH is ranked alongside with TG, SA, AI as badly managed airline, everyone in the organisation has their own agenda....

 

You don't need to look far for turnaround example. Look at our neighbour Gary's Indonesia. Granted they made some losses recently due to over expansion, at least they did not allow the situation to deteriorate to point of no return.

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Pardon my ignorant. What is the difference between working with a premium airline vs LCC for a pilot ? I would imagine it should be similar hence the pay, no ?

 

From a layman perspective, they still need to work in the aluminium tubes (or carbon composite), doing take-offs, landings ..... :)

Edited by Kee Hooi Yen

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MH salary package is a joke if they expect crew to accept near-LCC ish pay to work for a "premium" airline.

 

LCC pay is apparently very lucrative. So if they think its a joke then they're certainly a demanding bunch.

 

Maybe MH would be better off finding those who are truly passionate about flying and aren't concerned about earning as much as they can. I'd volunteer in an instant.

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Pardon my ignorant. What is the difference between working with a premium airline vs LCC for a pilot ? I would imagine it should be similar hence the pay, no ?

 

From a layman perspective, they still need to work in the aluminium tubes (or carbon composite), doing take-offs, landings ..... :)

Differences are you have more benefits to your immediate families, interline travel, wider health panel doctors etc than lcc. In the old days flying with Full service airlines, tech crew earn more and fly less due to higher allowance while taking higher salary package than lcc and it is still somewhat the same case for our neighboring flag carriers. However for MAB's case management have gone through severe cost cutting regime that tech crew are now earning less than AirAsia and have work hard and fly near the hour limit due to crewing issue.

 

There's also the mass exodus of pilots in south east asia that are leaving for middle east and China due to the fact that they're offerred pay that is almost 2x higher every month than what they earn here. Emirates offers tax free salary as well free education for your child and monthly allowance for your spouse and airlines over here are financially unable to commit such perks. Hong Kong airlines offers guarantee of more than 8 days off in a months roster and salaries are in usd that they've sunk Cathay Pacific down the bottom. This of the reasons British and american carriers association are badmouthing these airlines about breaking the balance in market share and claim that they receive heavy government subsidies and unfair oil rates.

 

But recently you can see even these big carriers in china and middle east have over expanded and are also facing shortage and fatigue.

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Thanks Jahur for the info.

 

Well I guess in general the remuneration package offered by airlines depends on their reputation and how well they are managed, regardless whether they are full service carriers or LCCs

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Differences are you have more benefits to your immediate families, interline travel, wider health panel doctors etc than lcc. In the old days flying with Full service airlines, tech crew earn more and fly less due to higher allowance while taking higher salary package than lcc and it is still somewhat the same case for our neighboring flag carriers. However for MAB's case management have gone through severe cost cutting regime that tech crew are now earning less than AirAsia and have work hard and fly near the hour limit due to crewing issue.

 

How much less, not just compared to LCCs but also for other comparable non-pilot jobs?

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How much less, not just compared to LCCs but also for other comparable non-pilot jobs?

You can't really compare to a standard degree or edu cert unless it cost the same to obtain them. Doing flying school costs over a quoter of a million ringgit per student and you haven't account the students hostel with living expenses and cadet openings back then were rare or very small quota. Lucky type rating were mostly covered by almost every airline and that costs an additional near rm150k.

 

Cadet programs nowadays are offerred to students via bank loans bond instead in the old days where they were tuned more like merit scholarships and majority of the training from ground to sim is paid by the airline and the trainees are bonded. You can see that airlines are now actively avoiding in putting up budgeting for recruitment instead opting from banks and managements are trying to treat their job like a standard employee with a degree.

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Pardon my ignorant. What is the difference between working with a premium airline vs LCC for a pilot ? I would imagine it should be similar hence the pay, no ?

 

From a layman perspective, they still need to work in the aluminium tubes (or carbon composite), doing take-offs, landings ..... :)

Th difference in pay? LCC paid better than the comparable position in the premium airline. Highest paid pilots in Malaysia today are with AK and D7.

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Having said that it seems like Malindo is doing pretty well with charter flights to a few Chinese airport like NNG, Zhengzhou, Wenzhou etc. A few days ago a fellow spotter spotted an OD 737 doing ICN - BKI too.

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Malaysia Airlines Bhd (MAB) needs an additional 150 pilots to stabilise its systems from the current 927 pilots operating its fleet.

 

Chief executive officer captain Izham Ismail said the national carrier is targeting to normalise its operations by early 2019 and has already recruited 62 new pilots.

 

Airline bosses need to be 10 years ahead or else they will be caught with pilot shortages, he said.

 

https://m.malaysiakini.com/news/438528

Edited by KK Lee

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Th difference in pay? LCC paid better than the comparable position in the premium airline. Highest paid pilots in Malaysia today are with AK and D7.

 

Just some update.

 

With the latest update, MH is the best paying airline for first officers in Malaysia. Junior FOs can make 18-20k per month, compared to around 10k for OD and AK. For captains, AK still is the best paying airline in Malaysia.

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Malaysian aviation is emerging from the most traumatic period in its seven decade history. Following the losses of MH370 and MH17 in 2014, passengers abandoned the airline and forced the Malaysian government into rescuing the troubled legacy carrier. Last month, Group CEO of Malaysia Aviation Group and Malaysia Airlines Berhad, Captain Izham Ismail, a 39-year veteran of the group, told Orient Aviation’s Dominic Lalk that it is his “goal and purpose” to stabilize and unite the airline group.



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Malaysia Airlines moves closer to widebody order

 

 

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Malaysia Airlines moves closer to widebody order

Adrian Schofield

Oct 21, 2018

Malaysia Airlines Bhd. (MAB) is preparing to present its aircraft acquisition plan to its board, which could lead to a major widebody order being placed in 2019, airline CEO Izham Ismail said.

 

The acquisition plan will be brought to the board by the first quarter of 2019, Izham said on the sidelines of the Association of Asia Pacific Airlines annual assembly in Jeju, South Korea, Oct. 19. The board will likely consider the plan at either its November meeting, or in January.

 

If board approval is granted, an order decision will likely be made between the first and third quarters of 2019, Izham said. This would likely allow MAB to meet its goal of receiving the first of the new widebodies in 2021. Izham noted that lessors have large aircraft backlogs if MAB cannot obtain its own delivery slots by that date.

 

MAB is believed to be considering a range of aircraft including Airbus A350s and Boeing 787s. The carrier previously signed an MOU with Boeing for 787s, but the MOU lapsed in June.

 

http://m.atwonline.com/aircraft-engines/malaysia-airlines-moves-closer-widebody-order

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Timeline sounds a bit dodgy

".....acquisition plan will be brought to the board by the first quarter of 2019"

Not quite possible then for said board to "consider the plan at either its November meeting....."

So, January (2019) it will most likely be then :D

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Timeline sounds a bit dodgy

".....

acquisition plan will be brought to the board by the first quarter of 2019"

Not quite possible then for said board to "

consider the plan at either its November meeting....."

So, January (2019) it will most likely be then :D

I think it is correct. He said by Q1-19. He didnt say in Q1-19. There are two opportunities to make the presentation: Nov-18 or Jan-19 and either would qualify as by Q1-19.

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