Kee Hooi Yen 0 Report post Posted September 29, 2016 Yes agree SQ has a strong branding in Indonesia. Believe this will give GA a run for their money Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jani 0 Report post Posted September 29, 2016 Interesting stuff. Wonder how fares for SIN-SYD non-stop vs the stop in CGK will compare. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stvnkhor 0 Report post Posted September 29, 2016 Interesting stuff. Wonder how fares for SIN-SYD non-stop vs the stop in CGK will compare. It is same price both non stop and one stop in CGK... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JuliusWong 0 Report post Posted September 30, 2016 Wealthy Indonesians will vote with their feet and fly with SQ only even though GA has improved a lot over the years. CGK remains the only SEA route to have SQ F class service and have the latest B77W on its daily rotation. With this addition, SQ is clearly leveraging on its branding and the large Indonesians migrants in SYD. We may see SIN-CGK-MEL soon enough. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mushrif A 3 Report post Posted September 30, 2016 BWN has SQ F service twice a week. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sandeep G 1 Report post Posted September 30, 2016 Would love to see a SIN-CGK-PER flight that arrives into PER circa 8-9am, then departs back mid morning at 10:30 vv.. Slots at PER only constrained by the first wave of return FIFO flights.. Otherwise, it's an international lull period for PER, barring the QF flight to SIN. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chris Tan 0 Report post Posted September 30, 2016 BWN has SQ F service twice a week.MNL too, I think Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JuliusWong 0 Report post Posted November 8, 2016 BWN has SQ F service twice a week. MNL too, I think Of yes, BWN and MNL. Thank you for the reminder. i foind this SQ route map from 1976. SQ apparently is reviving an age-old route: CGK to SYD Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shahid 0 Report post Posted November 9, 2016 They have to postpone the launch (or rather re-launch based on the above graphic) indefinitely due to runway maintenance works at CGK:http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/airport-slot-constraints-in-jakarta-forces-sia-to-delay-singapore-jakarta-sydney-service Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mohd Suhaimi Fariz 2 Report post Posted November 9, 2016 They have to postpone the launch (or rather re-launch based on the above graphic) indefinitely due to runway maintenance works at CGK: http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/airport-slot-constraints-in-jakarta-forces-sia-to-delay-singapore-jakarta-sydney-service More like "GA-maintenance" works methinks... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
S V Choong 4 Report post Posted November 9, 2016 Yes. First thing in my mind is the failed MH flights to Australia via CGK several years back. How long did the failed KUL-CGK-MEL flights last for? Which year was that. I vaguely remember they did that, it was quite short right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JuliusWong 0 Report post Posted January 9, 2017 From SQ insider: The following routes are struggling: SIN-CBR-CHC SIN-MAN-IAH SIN-DME SIN-DUS SIN-FRA-JFK (to lesser extent, on certain periods) SIN-MUC SIN-CPH SIN-BCN SIN-MXP SIN-MXP might be hand over to TZ. SIN-CGK-SYD will remain in back burner for next few years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flee 5 Report post Posted January 10, 2017 Most of the routes involve European destinations - looks like European economies are struggling and business travel is no longer as lucrative for SQ as it used to be. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jani 0 Report post Posted January 10, 2017 SIN-CBR-CHC I would imagine is heavily incentivized, don't think this route will be gone anytime soon.SIN-MAN-IAH (and previously DME) I think was heavily dependent on O&G, which as we all know is struggling now. I think SQ will continue to bleed this one out until the industry recovers as to not lose the premium traffic.If SIN-MUC is struggling, I think SIN-DUS even more so.CPH, MXP and BCN (in order) I think will be favorite candidates to be given the axe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KK Lee 5 Report post Posted January 10, 2017 Most of the routes involve European destinations - looks like European economies are struggling and business travel is no longer as lucrative for SQ as it used to be. European economies except Greece have recovered from 2008 recession. Believe SQ market share and yield is eroded by ME3. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JuliusWong 0 Report post Posted January 10, 2017 In hindsight, it was somehow a good idea that MH withdrew almost completely from European markets and Istanbul too. Judging by SQ's numbers, not many premium carriers could have make it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amirul Mazlan 0 Report post Posted January 10, 2017 Thai still champion having and adding more capacity to Europe Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chris Tan 0 Report post Posted January 10, 2017 European economies except Greece have recovered from 2008 recession. Believe SQ market share and yield is eroded by ME3. Believe just because the European market has recovered doesn't mean it's strong. Believe the Europe-Asia market has been struggling over the past year, which also makes me believe the ME3 isn't the only contributor to SQ's miseries. But that's just my belief. Thai still champion having and adding more capacity to Europe TG's European expansion is modest at best. For the most part they're just reinstating frequencies or destinations. (FRA, LHR, DME etc). Also, they're not after the same sort of high-yield traffic that the likes of SQ and CX are after. Some of the new flights/frequencies are clearly targeted at tourists. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flee 5 Report post Posted January 10, 2017 In hindsight, it was somehow a good idea that MH withdrew almost completely from European markets and Istanbul too. Judging by SQ's numbers, not many premium carriers could have make it. Yes, MH and D7 stopped their bleeding early due to the nature of their traffic - leisure travel. These will be the first markets to cut expenditure. Believe just because the European market has recovered doesn't mean it's strong. Believe the Europe-Asia market has been struggling over the past year, which also makes me believe the ME3 isn't the only contributor to SQ's miseries. But that's just my belief. The European economies are hardly growing - although they stopped the recession, that is all they have done. The growing numbers of Syrian, Iraqi and Afghan, etc. refugees is putting a huge strain on their economies. Do note that both Air France and Lufthansa failed to restore their flights to KUL, despite enjoying monopoly positions. That is how weak the market has become. ME3 are not really having it good either. Emirates' profit has declined drastically and neither Etihad nor Qatar wishes to disclose their financial information. So all is not so well in the airline industry. It will be interesting to see what SQ reports when they publish their Q4 2016 financials. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KK Lee 5 Report post Posted January 10, 2017 Yes, MH and D7 stopped their bleeding early due to the nature of their traffic - leisure travel. These will be the first markets to cut expenditure. The European economies are hardly growing - although they stopped the recession, that is all they have done. The growing numbers of Syrian, Iraqi and Afghan, etc. refugees is putting a huge strain on their economies. Do note that both Air France and Lufthansa failed to restore their flights to KUL, despite enjoying monopoly positions. That is how weak the market has become. ME3 are not really having it good either. Emirates' profit has declined drastically and neither Etihad nor Qatar wishes to disclose their financial information. So all is not so well in the airline industry. It will be interesting to see what SQ reports when they publish their Q4 2016 financials. ME3 is affected largely by the slow down in O&G industry. On AF and LH to KUL, the demand is smaller than BKK or SIN, aircraft sent was too big and many chose to travel with ME3, BA or KL. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flee 5 Report post Posted January 10, 2017 ME3 is affected largely by the slow down in O&G industry. So we have full circle in this discussion. SQ is suffering not because of the ME3 as you argued earlier - this has been taking place for many years already. But in 2016, the main issue for premium airlines is that O&G companies have cut their business travel. So SQ and ME3 are all suffering together. On AF and LH to KUL, the demand is smaller than BKK or SIN, aircraft sent was too big and many chose to travel with ME3, BA or KL. Funny thing is that KL has ADDED three more B789 frequencies for AMS-KUL. So, do the Dutch travel more than the French and Germans? I guess the B789's economics is better than AF's B77E and LH's A343.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kandiah k 0 Report post Posted January 10, 2017 Would it have been better if AF used their B789 and LH used their A350 to KUL instead? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Craig 0 Report post Posted January 10, 2017 Funny thing is that KL has ADDED three more B789 frequencies for AMS-KUL. So, do the Dutch travel more than the French and Germans? I guess the B789's economics is better than AF's B77E and LH's A343.... That (aircraft reason) and also KL has SPA and codeshare agreement with MH for beyond KUL traffic. Do note that both Air France and Lufthansa failed to restore their flights to KUL, despite enjoying monopoly positions. That is how weak the market has become. It's not that the market is weak, but rather the yields are weak especially with the free-falling MYR. There are business traffic from DE to MY, not high, but it exists. And they don't have the right plane for KUL. Both are old gas-guzzlers and LH doesn't have any connection agreements with MH beyond KUL, i.e. KUL is the end point for most LH pax (except for a few domestic destinations in MY). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jani 0 Report post Posted January 10, 2017 For foreign carriers, "free-falling MYR" should be a boon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Craig 0 Report post Posted January 10, 2017 For foreign carriers, "free-falling MYR" should be a boon. Maybe I don't know much about aviation management or economics, but please enlighten me how is this be a boon to foreign carriers? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
