Mohd Suhaimi Fariz 2 Report post Posted June 23, 2012 Is there any MH management announced that all 6 A380 used to fly LHR? A simple logical show that this will not happen Criticism is a good thing for MH in this moment,but criticism without brain thinking is a joke It was on The Star - but I don't know whether it's quoted accurately. The marketing team's been planning an Australian buzz for the A380 for months now, so I don't think we'll not see an A380 in SYD at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BC Tam 2 Report post Posted June 23, 2012 The marketing team's been planning an Australian buzz for the A380 for months now, so I don't think we'll not see an A380 in SYD at all. Thanks for the back room insight - we only had your boss' words on issue up to this point, which was no dugong for SYD now Don't the marketing people update the poor (seemingly disconnected) chap up there ? Or doesn't the big chief let his people know what he wants to say to the press ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mohd Suhaimi Fariz 2 Report post Posted June 23, 2012 Thanks for the back room insight - we only had your boss' words on issue up to this point, which was no dugong for SYD now Don't the marketing people update the poor (seemingly disconnected) chap up there ? Or doesn't the big chief let his people know what he wants to say to the press ? I interpreted it as for now the Dugong's going to be focused on building up LHR ops, from 3x weekly to daily & then double daily. Once the full force of 6 A380 have been delivered then SYD may be on the cards. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Naim 6 Report post Posted June 23, 2012 Interesting, Emirates would probably mount a service between two points, allocate the planes, then order the marketing/sales ppl to fill 'em up! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zamim 0 Report post Posted June 23, 2012 MAS will operate 3 times weekly to LHR initially, then once the second A380 is delivered in July, the LHR will be served daily effective Aug. MH4, morning departure will most probably be operated by B777 then. As for SYD, once the third A380 is delivered ( delayed due to work on wing cracks) the service will begin on 25 Nov Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flee 5 Report post Posted June 23, 2012 As I have said earlier, I worry that the top management seems not to know what they should do with the A380. Rather than seeing it as an opportunity to push sales, they are taking a negative stance and worrying about whether the plane can be filled! The management should also be looking to take on CX on the KUL-HKG route. This is ideal for upgrade as it will help improve aircraft utilisation. Just run the KUL-HKG service once a day and make sure that domestic connecting flights from PEN, KCH, BKI and JHB feed pax to the KUL-HKG route... Sorry to see such lead footed management at MH! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zamim 0 Report post Posted June 23, 2012 The passenger load on MH72 is not encouraging, worst for MH75. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Naim 6 Report post Posted June 23, 2012 I said the above because when I attended the official launch of Emirates DXB/KUL A380 service recently, a senior guy from their KL office said to me, all this is very exciting, but now it's our job to fill up the planes! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Izanee 0 Report post Posted June 23, 2012 Swee kee: criticism with brains is fine but personal attacks are pointless. It's a half serious comment so I don't need your opinion on what I should post Naim: I agree. I am very underwhelmed by MH's offering. I can fly EK for 200 pounds cheaper than MH for the same time period. And with better options for IFE etc etc. That's a lot of money for me. Alas, I am one of those price sensitive Y class travellers! MH should be promoting this A380 all out - now they want to compete with SQ, CX, TG, GA regionally with narrow body services? (never thought I would add GA there!) No chance in hell. I love MH, but their management's pussy footing around their fundamental problems will not solve anything. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BC Tam 2 Report post Posted June 23, 2012 (edited) I can fly EK for 200 pounds cheaper than MH for the same time period. And with better options for IFE etc etc. That's a lot of money for me. Alas, I am one of those price sensitive Y class travellers! What is the figure asked for by MH to KUL ex UK nowadays ? Understand SQ, QR and EK are offering in the 570-590 range, for travel by year's end Interesting bit was 'Cheaper than MAS' title on the advert - going to be difficult to increse yield then, at least on the LHR runs ! Edited June 23, 2012 by BC Tam Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Isaac 0 Report post Posted June 24, 2012 What is the figure asked for by MH to KUL ex UK nowadays ? Understand SQ, QR and EK are offering in the 570-590 range, for travel by year's end Interesting bit was 'Cheaper than MAS' title on the advert - going to be difficult to increse yield then, at least on the LHR runs ! Even SQ ? Ok. Not exactly very surprising there. MAS operating cost is so high that even a major carrier based in the most expensive city in Southeast Asia can't rival of Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flee 5 Report post Posted June 24, 2012 Yes, on the KUL-SYD route, SQ is cheaper than MH as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
H C Chai 4 Report post Posted June 24, 2012 What is the figure asked for by MH to KUL ex UK nowadays ? Understand SQ, QR and EK are offering in the 570-590 range, for travel by year's end Interesting bit was 'Cheaper than MAS' title on the advert - going to be difficult to increse yield then, at least on the LHR runs ! Yeah, I saw that ad too. I thought it was hilarious, as if they think MAS should always be cheaper airline to fly with MAS fare to KL is around £700 return, for travelling off season. Fares drops a bit when they do offers, but I haven't seen anything below £550 this year. Vietnam Airlines has the cheapest fare at the moment, they're doing LGW-SE Asia return for around £450 all in Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BC Tam 2 Report post Posted June 24, 2012 ..... as if they think MAS should always be cheaper airline to fly with 'Five star value carrier' legacy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
S V Choong 4 Report post Posted June 24, 2012 (edited) Even SQ ? Ok. Not exactly very surprising there. MAS operating cost is so high that even a major carrier based in the most expensive city in Southeast Asia can't rival of That, as far as I remember, has been the case for 5 years or so before I relocated to Melbourne, Australia. Whenever I checked the airfare going to South East Asia or HK, SQ is always cheaper than MH, sometimes although the difference can be quite minor sometimes. Then you have EK doing MEL-KUL which is cheaper than MH, although at horrible hours (2am or 3am). None of my family MH long haul for at least 6 or 7 years. Just better offering with SQ and EK, in terms of pricing, aircraft type and IFE. I am not so keen on their A380s either since I have been on both SQ and EK A380s too and the novelty is long gone. Would prefer to fly rare types such as A340-600 and so forth! Edited June 24, 2012 by S V Choong Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KK Lee 5 Report post Posted June 24, 2012 (edited) There are a few hundred thousand Filipinos and Indonesians working in the Middle East, those living outside MNL and CGK, may need to take different airlines before reaching their home town. If MH expand into Philippines and Indonesia secondary cities could easily fill up daily service to Middle East. Closer at home, there are a few hundred thousand Napalis working in the country and yet MH is not serving Kathmandu. It seems MH management are either colour blind, find these pax profile too lowly or only interested in prestige market. Edited June 24, 2012 by KK Lee Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BC Tam 2 Report post Posted June 24, 2012 It seems MH management are either colour blind, find these pax profile too lowly or only interested in prestige market. Perhaps the unions have decided the non-prestige market be dealt with by the red party ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Izanee 0 Report post Posted June 24, 2012 BC, for off peak flights to KUL from LON.. QR and EK range from 480 - 550 pounds. MH is 700-900. Peak season for e.g. August 2012, I booked EK in January for 659 pounds (good deal) on the A380. MH on the other hand cost 859 pounds for the same dates. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Radzi 2 Report post Posted June 24, 2012 Closer at home, there are a few hundred thousand Napalis working in the country and yet MH is not serving Kathmandu. Hopefully that will change soon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kaquah 0 Report post Posted June 24, 2012 Old service Fly thru - NOW offer to Malaysia domestic flights depart from PEN, BKI ,KCH and LGK FLY-THRU (Connecting Flights) : Kota Kinabalu (BKI) - All destinations Frequency Origin &Destinations First Flight Second Flight Validity from to Mon, Wed, Fri BKI - KUL - CTU AK5105 Depart : BKI 1230 Arrive : KUL 1500 D70326 Depart : KUL 1815 Arrive : CTU 2240 March 26, 2012 October 26, 2012 Book now Tue, Thu, Sat, Sun BKI - KUL - HGH AK5103 Depart : BKI 1055 Arrive : KUL 1325 D70306 Depart : KUL 1720 Arrive : HGH 2220 August 5, 2012 October 27, 2012 Book now Tue, Thu, Sat, Sun BKI - KUL - HGH AK5105 Depart : BKI 1230 Arrive : KUL 1500 D70306 Depart : KUL 1720 Arrive : HGH 2220 August 5, 2012 October 27, 2012 Book now Tue, Thu, Sun BKI - KUL - HND AK5101 Depart : BKI 0930 Arrive : KUL 1200 D70522 Depart : KUL 1430 Arrive : HND 2230 March 25, 2012 October 25, 2012 Book now Mon, Wed BKI - KUL - HND AK5101 Depart : BKI 0930 Arrive : KUL 1200 D70522 Depart : KUL 1445 Arrive : HND 2300 May 7, 2012 October 24, 2012 Book now Fri BKI - KUL - HND AK5101 Depart : BKI 0930 Arrive : KUL 1200 D70522 Depart : KUL 1445 Arrive : HND 2300 June 22, 2012 October 26, 2012 Book now Sat BKI - KUL - HND AK5101 Depart : BKI 0930 Arrive : KUL 1200 D70524 Depart : KUL 1530 Arrive : HND 2330 June 30, 2012 October 27, 2012 Book now Sat BKI - KUL - HND AK5103 Depart : BKI 1055 Arrive : KUL 1325 D70524 Depart : KUL 1530 Arrive : HND 2330 June 30, 2012 October 27, 2012 Book now Mon, Wed, Fri, Sat BKI - KUL - ICN AK5123 Depart : BKI 1830 Arrive : KUL 2100 D70506 Depart : KUL 0100 Arrive : ICN 0820 August 19, 2012 October 26, 2012 Book now Mon, Wed, Fri, Sat BKI - KUL - ICN AK5129 Depart : BKI 1855 Arrive : KUL 2125 D70506 Depart : KUL 0100 Arrive : ICN 0820 June 22, 2012 October 26, 2012 Book now Mon, Wed, Fri, Sat BKI - KUL - ICN AK5113 Depart : BKI 1925 Arrive : KUL 2155 D70506 Depart : KUL 0100 Arrive : ICN 0820 June 22, 2012 October 26, 2012 Book now Mon, Wed, Fri, Sat BKI - KUL - ICN AK5115 Depart : BKI 2010 Arrive : KUL 2240 D70506 Depart : KUL 0100 Arrive : ICN 0820 June 22, 2012 October 26, 2012 Book now Tue, Thu BKI - KUL - KIX AK5123 Depart : BKI 1830 Arrive : KUL 2100 D70532 Depart : KUL 0100 Arrive : KIX 0825 August 19, 2012 October 25, 2012 Book now Tue, Thu BKI - KUL - KIX AK5129 Depart : BKI 1855 Arrive : KUL 2125 D70532 Depart : KUL 0100 Arrive : KIX 0825 June 21, 2012 October 25, 2012 Book now Tue, Thu BKI - KUL - KIX AK5113 Depart : BKI 1925 Arrive : KUL 2155 D70532 Depart : KUL 0100 Arrive : KIX 0825 June 21, 2012 October 25, 2012 Book now Tue, Thu BKI - KUL - KIX AK5115 Depart : BKI 2010 Arrive : KUL 2240 D70532 Depart : KUL 0100 Arrive : KIX 0825 June 21, 2012 October 25, 2012 Book now Wed, Fri, Sun BKI - KUL - MEL AK5121 Depart : BKI 0710 Arrive : KUL 0940 D70212 Depart : KUL 1340 Arrive : MEL 2330 August 3, 2012 October 5, 2012 Book now Mon, Tue, Thu, Sat BKI - KUL - MEL AK5111 Depart : BKI 1710 Arrive : KUL 1940 D70214 Depart : KUL 2230 Arrive : MEL 0820 June 21, 2012 October 4, 2012 Book now Mon, Thu, Fri BKI - KUL - OOL AK5119 Depart : BKI 1500 Arrive : KUL 1730 D70206 Depart : KUL 2125 Arrive : OOL 0725 August 10, 2012 October 26, 2012 Book now Mon, Thu, Fri BKI - KUL - OOL AK5109 Depart : BKI 1545 Arrive : KUL 1815 D70206 Depart : KUL 2125 Arrive : OOL 0725 August 10, 2012 October 26, 2012 Book now Mon, Wed, Fri, Sat, Sun BKI - KUL - PEK AK5105 Depart : BKI 1230 Arrive : KUL 1500 D70316 Depart : KUL 1845 Arrive : PEK 0050 August 6, 2012 October 21, 2012 Book now Tue, Thu BKI - KUL - PEK AK5105 Depart : BKI 1230 Arrive : KUL 1500 D70316 Depart : KUL 1900 Arrive : PEK 0105 August 7, 2012 October 25, 2012 Book now Mon, Wed, Fri, Sat, Sun BKI - KUL - PEK AK5107 Depart : BKI 1405 Arrive : KUL 1635 D70316 Depart : KUL 1845 Arrive : PEK 0050 August 6, 2012 October 21, 2012 Book now Tue, Thu BKI - KUL - PEK AK5107 Depart : BKI 1405 Arrive : KUL 1635 D70316 Depart : KUL 1900 Arrive : PEK 0105 August 7, 2012 October 25, 2012 Book now Daily BKI - KUL - PER AK5123 Depart : BKI 1830 Arrive : KUL 2100 D70236 Depart : KUL 2355 Arrive : PER 0525 August 19, 2012 October 27, 2012 Book now Daily BKI - KUL - PER AK5129 Depart : BKI 1855 Arrive : KUL 2125 D70236 Depart : KUL 2355 Arrive : PER 0525 August 1, 2012 October 27, 2012 Book now Daily BKI - KUL - PER AK5113 Depart : BKI 1925 Arrive : KUL 2155 D70236 Depart : KUL 2355 Arrive : PER 0525 August 1, 2012 October 27, 2012 Book now Daily BKI - KUL - SYD AK5111 Depart : BKI 1710 Arrive : KUL 1940 D70222 Depart : KUL 2340 Arrive : SYD 0945 April 1, 2012 October 5, 2012 Book now Daily BKI - KUL - SYD AK5123 Depart : BKI 1830 Arrive : KUL 2100 D70222 Depart : KUL 2340 Arrive : SYD 0945 August 19, 2012 October 5, 2012 Book now Daily BKI - KUL - SYD AK5129 Depart : BKI 1855 Arrive : KUL 2125 D70222 Depart : KUL 2340 Arrive : SYD 0945 April 1, 2012 October 5, 2012 Book now Mon, Wed, Fri CTU - KUL - BKI D70327 Depart : CTU 2355 Arrive : KUL 0430 AK5100 Depart : KUL 0630 Arrive : BKI 0905 March 26, 2012 October 26, 2012 Book now Mon, Wed, Fri CTU - KUL - BKI D70327 Depart : CTU 2355 Arrive : KUL 0430 AK5102 Depart : KUL 0750 Arrive : BKI 1025 March 26, 2012 October 26, 2012 Book now Mon, Wed, Fri HGH - KUL - BKI D70303 Depart : HGH 1410 Arrive : KUL 1910 AK5124 Depart : KUL 2125 Arrive : BKI 2359 August 19, 2012 October 26, 2012 Book now Tue, Thu, Sat, Sun HGH - KUL - BKI D70307 Depart : HGH 2320 Arrive : KUL 0420 AK5100 Depart : KUL 0630 Arrive : BKI 0905 August 5, 2012 October 26, 2012 Book now Tue, Thu, Sat, Sun HGH - KUL - BKI D70307 Depart : HGH 2320 Arrive : KUL 0420 AK5102 Depart : KUL 0750 Arrive : BKI 1025 August 5, 2012 October 26, 2012 Book now Sun HND - KUL - BKI D70525 Depart : HND 0130 Arrive : KUL 0755 AK5106 Depart : KUL 1105 Arrive : BKI 1340 July 1, 2012 October 21, 2012 Book now Sun HND - KUL - BKI D70525 Depart : HND 0130 Arrive : KUL 0755 AK5122 Depart : KUL 1020 Arrive : BKI 1255 July 1, 2012 October 21, 2012 Book now Tue, Thu, Sun HND - KUL - BKI D70523 Depart : HND 2345 Arrive : KUL 0610 AK5104 Depart : KUL 0930 Arrive : BKI 1205 March 25, 2012 October 25, 2012 Book now Mon, Wed HND - KUL - BKI D70523 Depart : HND 2355 Arrive : KUL 0635 AK5104 Depart : KUL 0930 Arrive : BKI 1205 May 7, 2012 October 24, 2012 Book now Mon, Wed HND - KUL - BKI D70523 Depart : HND 2355 Arrive : KUL 0635 AK5122 Depart : KUL 1020 Arrive : BKI 1255 May 7, 2012 October 24, 2012 Book now Fri HND - KUL - BKI D70523 Depart : HND 2355 Arrive : KUL 0635 AK5122 Depart : KUL 1020 Arrive : BKI 1255 June 22, 2012 October 26, 2012 Book now Fri HND - KUL - BKI D70523 Depart : HND 2355 Arrive : KUL 0635 AK5104 Depart : KUL 0930 Arrive : BKI 1205 June 22, 2012 October 26, 2012 Book now Tue, Thu, Sat, Sun ICN - KUL - BKI D70507 Depart : ICN 0935 Arrive : KUL 1505 AK5114 Depart : KUL 1710 Arrive : BKI 1945 June 21, 2012 October 27, 2012 Book now Wed, Fri KIX - KUL - BKI D70533 Depart : KIX 0940 Arrive : KUL 1525 AK5116 Depart : KUL 1915 Arrive : BKI 2150 June 22, 2012 October 26, 2012 Book now Mon, Thu, Sat MEL - KUL - BKI D70213 Depart : MEL 0045 Arrive : KUL 0705 AK5122 Depart : KUL 1020 Arrive : BKI 1255 August 4, 2012 October 6, 2012 Book now Mon, Thu, Sat MEL - KUL - BKI D70213 Depart : MEL 0045 Arrive : KUL 0705 AK5104 Depart : KUL 0930 Arrive : BKI 1205 August 4, 2012 October 6, 2012 Book now Mon, Thu, Sat MEL - KUL - BKI D70213 Depart : MEL 0045 Arrive : KUL 0705 AK5106 Depart : KUL 1105 Arrive : BKI 1340 August 4, 2012 October 6, 2012 Book now Tue, Wed, Fri, Sun MEL - KUL - BKI D70215 Depart : MEL 0935 Arrive : KUL 1555 AK5116 Depart : KUL 1915 Arrive : BKI 2150 June 22, 2012 October 5, 2012 Book now Tue, Fri, Sat OOL - KUL - BKI D70207 Depart : OOL 0840 Arrive : KUL 1510 AK5114 Depart : KUL 1710 Arrive : BKI 1945 August 4, 2012 October 27, 2012 Book now Wed, Sun OOL - KUL - BKI D70203 Depart : OOL 2135 Arrive : KUL 0405 AK5100 Depart : KUL 0630 Arrive : BKI 0905 March 25, 2012 October 24, 2012 Book now Wed, Sun OOL - KUL - BKI D70203 Depart : OOL 2135 Arrive : KUL 0405 AK5102 Depart : KUL 0750 Arrive : BKI 1025 March 25, 2012 October 24, 2012 Book now Daily PEK - KUL - BKI D70317 Depart : PEK 0205 Arrive : KUL 0830 AK5106 Depart : KUL 1105 Arrive : BKI 1340 August 7, 2012 October 22, 2012 Book now Daily PEK - KUL - BKI D70317 Depart : PEK 0205 Arrive : KUL 0830 AK5118 Depart : KUL 1200 Arrive : BKI 1435 August 10, 2012 October 22, 2012 Book now Daily PER - KUL - BKI D70237 Depart : PER 0650 Arrive : KUL 1230 AK5112 Depart : KUL 1625 Arrive : BKI 1900 August 2, 2012 October 27, 2012 Book now Daily PER - KUL - BKI D70237 Depart : PER 0650 Arrive : KUL 1230 AK5128 Depart : KUL 1525 Arrive : BKI 1800 August 2, 2012 October 27, 2012 Book now Daily SYD - KUL - BKI D70223 Depart : SYD 1055 Arrive : KUL 1730 AK5126 Depart : KUL 2020 Arrive : BKI 2255 May 26, 2012 October 6, 2012 Book now Daily SYD - KUL - BKI D70223 Depart : SYD 1055 Arrive : KUL 1730 AK5124 Depart : KUL 2125 Arrive : BKI 2359 August 19, 2012 October 6, 2012 Book now Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BC Tam 2 Report post Posted June 25, 2012 MAS fare to KL is around £700 return, for travelling off season. Fares drops a bit when they do offers, but I haven't seen anything below £550 this year. BC, for off peak flights to KUL from LON.. QR and EK range from 480 - 550 pounds. MH is 700-900. Peak season for e.g. August 2012, I booked EK in January for 659 pounds (good deal) on the A380. MH on the other hand cost 859 pounds for the same dates. Thanks for the info By comparison, we used to pay in region of 500 GBP return LHR-BKI (as opposed to LHR-KUL above) something like 20+ years back It's amazing that other carriers have sort of managed to maintain prices despite inflation over that period of time, whilst MAS has ..... shall we say significantly raised the benchmark ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BC Tam 2 Report post Posted June 25, 2012 Old service Fly thru - NOW offer to Malaysia domestic flights depart from PEN, BKI ,KCH and LGK Perhaps we are now seeing real reason for the unholy haste in which MH's BKI hub was gotten rid of Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
V Wong 0 Report post Posted June 25, 2012 Perhaps we are now seeing real reason for the unholy haste in which MH's BKI hub was gotten rid of But there is no one to blame if MH is unable to defend its turf from the red attack Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BC Tam 2 Report post Posted June 25, 2012 But there is no one to blame if MH is unable to defend its turf from the red attack That is on assumption defence was viable or an option at all Either way, blame game is so beyond relevance now that rice already become porridge ....... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KK Lee 5 Report post Posted June 25, 2012 It is a known fact that MH is unable to attract premium pax (e.g. FRA, ZRH, CDG, etc) for lack of daily frequency and limited regional network. To serve long haul daily and be profitable, smaller aircrafts like A332, 787 is idea. For regional that are over capacity for daily 734 (e.g. HDY, VTE, CEB, etc), combination of ERJ, CRJ, E-170, E-190 are needed. However, MH structure and mind set is inherited from 742, DC-10, A300, 732 and F27 era. Until MH can think out of the box, powerful unions are dismantled and the 1990’s business model is changed, it is hard to convince MH can change for the better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
