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Just wonder. Is the A320 narrower than the B737? I don't think so. Both aircraft seats 6 abreast. Having a narrower seat doesn't make sense, I think.

 

@Radzi

 

Are you talking about the pitch or the width?

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@Radzi

 

Are you talking about the pitch or the width?

Thanks for pointing that out.

 

I was thinking about width.

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On Flightradar the 737 looks a tad bigger than A320.

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Putrajaya mulls partnership with AirAsia to build low-cost terminal in Penang

 

GEORGE TOWN, Aug 6 — Putrajaya is in discussions with carrier AirAsia Bhd to expand the Penang International Airport (PIA), while at the same time build a new Low Cost Carrier Terminal here.

 

Air Putih assemblyman Lim Guan Eng, who is also the federal finance minister said there is an urgent need to expand the PIA but the federal government and Malaysia Airport Holdings Bhd (MAHB) are facing financial constraints.

 

“This forces us to look for new methods such as collaboration with the private sector, Air Asia, to implement the expansion project that will include the construction of a new LCCT,” he said when debating a motion of thanks to the Penang Yang diPertua Negri Tun Abdul Rahman Abbas at the state legislative assembly here.

 

He said this same method will be used for the Penang Port and hoped that all these projects will be implemented as planned.

 

Later, outside the House, Lim clarified that the federal government is in talks with Air Asia currently.

 

“It is almost confirmed, the discussions have been very positive,” he said.

 

He said the federal government had to look at a different framework for the airport expansion project due to the lack fo funds.

 

“This is why we are looking at the 4P: the public, private, professional partnership,” he said.

 

“When we talk about expanding the airport, it will costs hundreds of millions so we have to look at a formula in which the federal government don’t pay for it,” he added.

 

He said the airport expansion project will likely take more than two years to implement but the LCCT might be completed earlier.

 

The PIA recorded 7.1 million passengers last year which is above its 6.5 million passenger capacity.

 

Lim said the number of passengers have increased by 10 per cent in June this year.

 

https://www.malaymail.com/s/1659587/putrajaya-mulls-partnership-with-airasia-to-build-low-cost-terminal-in-pena

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If Airasia Group is involved, you can be sure that the PIA LCCT will be a cowshed and will not cost billions.

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Here comes people complaining about climbing stairs and walking under rain.....

 

I honestly don't see why people should accept not being able to use aerobridges & avoiding going through weather as a fait accompli when flying AirAsia, especially when the company isn't averse to using aerobridges in foreign airports.

 

The cost advantage to the passenger is minimal if not non-existent, while the operational advantages are debatable.

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Here comes people complaining about climbing stairs and walking under rain.....

if AK were to influence the design, it will another tesco like terminal for penang. with no aerobridge. LCCT3. :drinks:

 

 

I honestly don't see why people should accept not being able to use aerobridges & avoiding going through weather as a fait accompli when flying AirAsia, especially when the company isn't averse to using aerobridges in foreign airports.

 

The cost advantage to the passenger is minimal if not non-existent, while the operational advantages are debatable.

well, one of the known secret about AK is their high aircraft utilization %, you can reduce stationery time by using lorry stair to perform embark disembark from front and rear exits, and perform refuel while passenger boarding. imagine if they able to chop 5 minutes of stoppage time per flight let's say on KUL-PEN sector, imagine how much time they able to recover? Of course, there's no advantage toward passenger at all other than additional fuss of going up and down the staircase.

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well, one of the known secret about AK is their high aircraft utilization %, you can reduce stationery time by using lorry stair to perform embark disembark from front and rear exits, and perform refuel while passenger boarding. imagine if they able to chop 5 minutes of stoppage time per flight let's say on KUL-PEN sector, imagine how much time they able to recover? Of course, there's no advantage toward passenger at all other than additional fuss of going up and down the staircase.

 

But that doesn't explain why they are able to use aerobridges in foreign airports though.

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But that doesn't explain why they are able to use aerobridges in foreign airports though.

In BKI and SDK and possibly other stations if its raining or there's wheelchair/disabled pax on the manifest they'd use aerobridges. I recall the motor slide for disabled passenger if using stairs does not always work and physical manpower is not always available to lift the pax up so aerobridge is always requested on those occasion.

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I suspect that it is important for them at airports where they mount a substantial number of flights - e.g. KUL/PEN/BKI. At foreign airports, the number of flights is only a fraction of what they are at the busy Malaysian airports. Perhaps, some foreign airports are also very efficient, even with aerobridges, so the turnaround time of 25 mins is achieved.

 

Turnaround times are important, especially if aircraft are scheduled to do 6 sectors per day. The knock on effect of late departures will add up by the end of the day.

 

AFAIK, when using aerobridges at KUL, there is only one deployed as using two will incur additional costs. When they were at LCCT, there were usually two sets of stairs for each aircraft - this will speed up the turnaround time significantly.


With the introduction of the higher capacity A321Neos to the fleet next year, MAHB and AirAsia Group should consider deploying stairs for the rear exit to help speed up turnaround times.

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… imagine if they able to chop 5 minutes of stoppage time per flight let's say on KUL-PEN sector, imagine how much time they able to recover?

Yes, say total 10 minutes lobbed off a KUL-PEN-KUL run (even allowing for aerobridgeless operation at KLIA2) how much time can be recovered in course of a day ? Sufficient to squeeze in another such run out of the aircraft ? At a time of the day where there will be enough pax to make it commercially viable ?

:)

 

 

if AK were to influence the design, it will another tesco like terminal for penang. with no aerobridge. LCCT3. :drinks:

Not according to picture in the Star online today :)

https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2018/08/07/lcct-in-penangs-flight-plan-terminal-will-help-airport-cope-with-rising-number-of-travellers-visitin/

Edited by BC Tam

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if AK were to influence the design, it will another tesco like terminal for penang. with no aerobridge. LCCT3. :drinks:

I think it is no bad thing - many of the latest modern terminals (HKIA mid level concourse and Changi T4 come to mind) feature a huge departure hall in an open plan. Departure gates are not partitioned into small rooms like what we see in klia2.

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How does Easy Jet and Ryan Air conduct their turnaround? I remember being at HKIA a couple of times and in most time, no aerobridge even for MH 737. However they bussed everyone from gate to aircraft and vise-versa. Perhaps it's to cut down risk of some psycho rushing on to the tarmac and on to the path of taxiing aircraft.

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How does Easy Jet and Ryan Air conduct their turnaround? I remember being at HKIA a couple of times and in most time, no aerobridge even for MH 737. However they bussed everyone from gate to aircraft and vise-versa. Perhaps it's to cut down risk of some psycho rushing on to the tarmac and on to the path of taxiing aircraft.

 

Thats different depending on the airports here in Europe but they prefer walkboarding like AirAsia do!

Normally they are planning with a 25min turnaround.

Some airports dont offer walkboarding, like Barcelona for example. There they are planning with 35min turnaround.

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Anybody know how much is the cost for the airline to use the aerobridge per flight?

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Anybody know how much is the cost for the airline to use the aerobridge per flight?

Believe it to be RM45-180 per parking depending on aircraft type and capacity. In 2011 it cost an additional 25sen to each passengers from 180 capacity pax for aerobridge usage. So in rough estimate the A320/B738 would cost around RM45 for aerobridge usage. In suvarnabhumi it costs approx 50sen per passenger. LCC planes average 4-6 sector duty per day would cost the airasia's plane rm180-270 if it fully uses aerobridges. Probably not good for LCC operating expenses in the long run which bean counter every possible segments available.

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AirAsia already charges RM3 per pax for their so-called "KLIA2 convenience fee.", which more than covers the cost for the aerobridge.

 

Ignoring that, do passengers mind paying even an extra RM1 for the ease of using an aerobridge versus going up the stairs? Highly doubt so.

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Yes, say total 10 minutes lobbed off a KUL-PEN-KUL run (even allowing for aerobridgeless operation at KLIA2) how much time can be recovered in course of a day ? Sufficient to squeeze in another such run out of the aircraft ? At a time of the day where there will be enough pax to make it commercially viable ?

:)

 

 

Not according to picture in the Star online today :)

https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2018/08/07/lcct-in-penangs-flight-plan-terminal-will-help-airport-cope-with-rising-number-of-travellers-visitin/

if we were to look at bean counters, every single minutes make sense (cents). In longer sector you can't salvage a sector but you could do it with short sectors. Imagine every 5 minutes recovered in a turnaround then you can salvage a 50 minutes margin. AK chalk up a lot of domestic sectors per day.

 

AirAsia already charges RM3 per pax for their so-called "KLIA2 convenience fee.", which more than covers the cost for the aerobridge.

 

Ignoring that, do passengers mind paying even an extra RM1 for the ease of using an aerobridge versus going up the stairs? Highly doubt so.

see, they are making money out of it and yet they blame MAHB for making AK not low cost and not affordable to fly.

 

 

But that doesn't explain why they are able to use aerobridges in foreign airports though.

not about able or not able, it is all drilled down to the operation requirement of the airport where they flying to.

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see, they are making money out of it and yet they blame MAHB for making AK not low cost and not affordable to fly.

 

Not forgetting online banking and credit card fees. All down their auxiliary income. Even SQ,KLM is doing this nonsense now.

Edited by jahur

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