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Malaysia - India market is mostly labour and VFR market in nature. They take the cheapest fare: Malaysia Airlines and Air Asia Group charging cheaper tickets vs. Air India. Airlines in Malaysia have more frequency, therefore offering travellers more time flexibility. Premium market usually go to Singapore Airlines, Emirates, Cathay Pacific and Qatar Airways due to branding  (strong branding in the local market), leaving trickle to Air India. There are a lot of demands for India to the US/ Canada, Australia/ NZ, they will usually take these four airlines. Malaysia Airlines commands quite a following for India - Australia market too. The night bank flights are usually very full. I think these flight are bringing in big revenue for MAG at the moment. After AirAsia Group entered the market, the yield dropped further leading to them cancelling KUL. Singapore - India market commands premium due to the India local affinity to Singapore Airlines and a lot of Indian professionals working in many MNCs in Singapore, much more compared to Malaysia.

Also, we have Tun M to blame last time every now and then for his acid tongue, back then. Hahahaha!

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On 5/15/2024 at 9:39 AM, JuliusWong said:

Consequences of having too many competitions and heavily discounted tickets on the route when yield is already in the red, from KUL: You have MH, OD, D7 and AK for various Australian routes, except BNE which is missing from all four airlines, OOL with AirAsia X only and ADL with MH only.

From MNL: You only have Cebu Pacific for SYD and MEL. Philippines Airlines on BNE, PER, SYD and MEL. In the other forum, members are suggesting once QF starts the BNE-MNL operation, PR may withdraw from the market.

I am in opinion the Qantas management is not seeing eye-to-eye or unwilling to co-operate with Malaysia Airlines management. Who can blame them though?

Just read again, AirAsia X has actually axed OOL since February 3 this year when they axed AKL at the same time. OOL was AirAsia X's first destination with first flight landing on  2 November 2007. What a waste it is now cancelled. Let's do this again:

  1. ADL: MH only
  2. PER: MH, OD, D7, AK
  3. MEL: MH, OD, D7
  4. BNE: OD only
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Asiana Airlines Sep/Oct 2024 Seoul – Kota Kinabalu Charter Operations

Asiana Airlines from September 2024 once again schedules Seoul Incheon – Kota Kinabalu service, operating on scheduled charter basis. From 12SEP24 to 26OCT24, the Star Alliance member will operate this route with Airbus A321neo aircraft on daily basis.

OZ7375 ICN1745 – 2200BKI 32Q D
OZ7385 BKI2310 – 0515+1ICN 32Q D

Asiana previously operated this route from 23DEC23 to 29FEB24.

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/240622-ozsep24bki

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On 5/31/2024 at 12:28 PM, JuliusWong said:

Just read again, AirAsia X has actually axed OOL since February 3 this year when they axed AKL at the same time. OOL was AirAsia X's first destination with first flight landing on  2 November 2007. What a waste it is now cancelled. Let's do this again:

  1. ADL: MH only
  2. PER: MH, OD, D7, AK
  3. MEL: MH, OD, D7
  4. BNE: OD only

MH applied for ATR to BNE with 727 seats, plan for resumption in Sept 2024. Other ATR also available as per link. ;


https://www.mavcom.my/en/2024/06/09/air-traffic-rights-bulletin-may-2024/

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16 hours ago, Mr.Bandit said:

MH applied for ATR to BNE with 727 seats, plan for resumption in Sept 2024. Other ATR also available as per link. ;

https://www.mavcom.my/en/2024/06/09/air-traffic-rights-bulletin-may-2024/

Excellent, good to see MH returning to Brisbane for the third time. Hopefully this time for good. 727 seats only sounds a lot like a B737 max will be deployed on 4x weekly basis.

With the first A330-900neo delivery in September, we shall see if the A330-200/300 currently deployed on MEL will be moved to BNE, with MH applying to use D7's allocated slots to OOL.

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MAHB anticipates three new airlines to begin KLIA operations by year end, including British Airways

https://www.malaymail.com/news/money/2024/06/25/mahb-anticipates-three-new-airlines-to-begin-klia-operations-by-year-end-including-british-airways/141416

Tuesday, 25 Jun 2024 2:32 PM MYT

KUALA LUMPUR, June 25 ― Malaysia Airports Holdings Bhd (MAHB), in expanding the country's network connectivity, expects three new airlines including British Airways, ThaiViet Jet, and 9 Air, to begin operations by the end of this year.

MAHB said Kuala Lumpur International Airport (KLIA) is now serving a total of 70 airlines, surpassing its pre-pandemic level of 69 as a result of its intensive efforts to expand the country's network connectivity.

In a statement today, it said the group is actively pursuing 15 more foreign carriers to operate in the country over the next two years, to elevate KLIA as a preferred international hub.

Let the speculation begins which 15 are these airlines....

  1. Qantas/ Jetstar
  2. Air France
  3. Iberia
  4. Lufthansa
  5. Condor
  6. Novo Air 
  7. T'Way
  8. Jin Air
  9. Air Premia
  10. Zip Air
  11. Air Japan
  12. Qingdao Airlines
  13. West Air of China
  14. Beijing Capital Airlines
  15. Chengdu Airlines
  16. Colorful Guizhou Airlines
  17. Jiangxi Air
  18. Spring Airlines
  19. Ruili Airlines
  20. Urumqi Air
  21. Chongqing Airlines
  22. Qingdao Airlines
  23. Shandong Airlines

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Wow ok good for KUL but what about the Indian carriers, not a single additional airline besides Indigo?

 

 

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Yeah, and that is also just once daily indigo - I’m sure it was 3x daily before Covid.

 

air India was planning to fly to KUL but it looks like SGN got it first!! What a shame 

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Looks like there is an issue with India and Australia; where the airlines of Malaysia fly there multiple times a day and yet not a single carrier from their side (minus Indigo). Wondering if MH, AK, D7 and OD are so fabulous that their counterparts dare not compete with them 🤣

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24 minutes ago, kandiah k said:

Looks like there is an issue with India and Australia; where the airlines of Malaysia fly there multiple times a day and yet not a single carrier from their side (minus Indigo). Wondering if MH, AK, D7 and OD are so fabulous that their counterparts dare not compete with them 🤣

Most probably Malaysia is not on the top of their list of desired countries to move to. There are very heavy demands for local Indians to go Middle East (closer to their home country), Australia, western part of Europe, Canada and the US for better living and job opportunity. South East Asia wise, only Singapore can attract such volume.

And there are a lot of competition in the market now, Batik Air, AirAsia, AirAsia X and Malaysia Airlines. It will be suicidal for them to enter such competitive market, especially on budget end.

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On 6/25/2024 at 5:11 PM, JuliusWong said:

Let the speculation begins which 15 are these airlines....

  1. Qantas/ Jetstar
  2. Air France
  3. Iberia
  4. Lufthansa
  5. Condor
  6. Novo Air 
  7. T'Way
  8. Jin Air
  9. Air Premia
  10. Zip Air
  11. Air Japan
  12. Qingdao Airlines
  13. West Air of China
  14. Beijing Capital Airlines
  15. Chengdu Airlines
  16. Colorful Guizhou Airlines
  17. Jiangxi Air
  18. Spring Airlines
  19. Ruili Airlines
  20. Urumqi Air
  21. Chongqing Airlines
  22. Qingdao Airlines
  23. Shandong Airlines

Updates:

  1. Spring Airlines is currently service KUL-NNG since 2022. Apology for the error.
  2. Novo Air from Bangladesh is confirmed planning to spread its wings to KUL, now selling their ATR 72 to lease A320s.

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On 6/24/2024 at 10:43 AM, JuliusWong said:

Excellent, good to see MH returning to Brisbane for the third time. Hopefully this time for good. 727 seats only sounds a lot like a B737 max will be deployed on 4x weekly basis.

With the first A330-900neo delivery in September, we shall see if the A330-200/300 currently deployed on MEL will be moved to BNE, with MH applying to use D7's allocated slots to OOL.

Was looking at the ATR excel sheet and it lists an A333 for the route. 

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2 hours ago, JuliusWong said:

Most probably Malaysia is not on the top of their list of desired countries to move to. There are very heavy demands for local Indians to go Middle East (closer to their home country), Australia, western part of Europe, Canada and the US for better living and job opportunity. South East Asia wise, only Singapore can attract such volume.

And there are a lot of competition in the market now, Batik Air, AirAsia, AirAsia X and Malaysia Airlines. It will be suicidal for them to enter such competitive market, especially on budget end.

Don't forget, Indian airlines get a lot of protection from the Indian government - look at the torrid time Airasia India had because they were a major threat to them. Outside of India, I'd say that Indian airlines struggle to remain competitive. Similar case for Australia - so many Aussies complain about Qantas to the extent that they do not see them as their national flag carrier as they are a disgrace. Many Aussies prefer to fly on foreign airlines and they frequently use services operated by airlines from SE Asia.

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49 minutes ago, Robert said:

Was looking at the ATR excel sheet and it lists an A333 for the route. 

Oh dear.....2x weekly with A330-300? Might as well don't return loh......maybe I am reading it wrongly.

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4 minutes ago, flee said:

Don't forget, Indian airlines get a lot of protection from the Indian government - look at the torrid time Airasia India had because they were a major threat to them. Outside of India, I'd say that Indian airlines struggle to remain competitive. Similar case for Australia - so many Aussies complain about Qantas to the extent that they do not see them as their national flag carrier as they are a disgrace. Many Aussies prefer to fly on foreign airlines and they frequently use services operated by airlines from SE Asia.

Yes, India is the next powerhouse since China is slipping into oblivion. Emirates wanted more traffic rights, India government said no. Can imagine operating 172 flights to India every week serving nine destinations: Ahmedabad, Bengaluru, Chennai, Delhi, Hyderabad, Kochi, Kolkata, Mumbai and Thiruvananthapuram with some being on high density A380 615 seats are still not enough to meet the local demand for just one route? Crazy man.....

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1 hour ago, JuliusWong said:

Oh dear.....2x weekly with A330-300? Might as well don't return loh......maybe I am reading it wrongly.

Im reading it the same as you 

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Scenario one:

  • A330-300 290 seats x 2 = 580
  • B737max8 174 seats x 1  = 174
  • Total = 754
  • Allocated seats = 727
  • Exceed by 27 seats

Scenario two:

  • B737max8 174 seats  x 4 = 696
  • Allocated seats = 727
  • Within allocated seat: 31 seats balance

Scenario three:

  • A330-300 290 seats x 1 = 290
  • B737max8 174 seats x 2  = 348
  • Total = 638
  • Allocated seats = 727
  • Within allocated seat: 89 seats balance

Enough math for today........

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28 minutes ago, JuliusWong said:

Scenario one:

  • A330-300 290 seats x 2 = 580
  • B737max8 174 seats x 1  = 174
  • Total = 754
  • Allocated seats = 727
  • Exceed by 27 seats

Scenario two:

  • B737max8 174 seats  x 4 = 696
  • Allocated seats = 727
  • Within allocated seat: 31 seats balance

Scenario three:

  • A330-300 290 seats x 1 = 290
  • B737max8 174 seats x 2  = 348
  • Total = 638
  • Allocated seats = 727
  • Within allocated seat: 89 seats balance

Enough math for today........

Luckily MAS has no ATR72 in its fleet. Otherwise there will be more maths to do 😁

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4 minutes ago, Adam Lawrence said:

Vietjet Air already served  KUL for quite sometimes now. Did they refer to Thai Vietjet Air instead?

Yes, they are referring to Thai Vietjet.......

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MAHB anticipates three new airlines to begin KLIA operations by year end, including British Airways

https://www.malaymail.com/news/money/2024/06/25/mahb-anticipates-three-new-airlines-to-begin-klia-operations-by-year-end-including-british-airways/141416

Tuesday, 25 Jun 2024 2:32 PM MYT

KUALA LUMPUR, June 25 ― Malaysia Airports Holdings Bhd (MAHB), in expanding the country's network connectivity, expects three new airlines including British Airways, ThaiViet Jet, and 9 Air, to begin operations by the end of this year.

MAHB said Kuala Lumpur International Airport (KLIA) is now serving a total of 70 airlines, surpassing its pre-pandemic level of 69 as a result of its intensive efforts to expand the country's network connectivity.

In a statement today, it said the group is actively pursuing 15 more foreign carriers to operate in the country over the next two years, to elevate KLIA as a preferred international hub.

 

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10 hours ago, Kee Hooi Yen said:

Luckily MAS has no ATR72 in its fleet. Otherwise there will be more maths to do 😁

That would be scenario three, you will still have a balance of 21 seats!

  • A330-300 290 seats x 1 = 290
  • B737max8 174 seats x 2  = 348
  • ATR 72 68 seats x 1 = 68
  • Total = 706
  • Allocated seats = 727
  • Within allocated seat: 21 seats balance

..........but please don't give them any idea! The longest ATR 72 flight duration now is 4 hours!

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Forget ATR, wet lease a scoot Embraer 95 and swap the A330-300 for A330-200. We should be near enough 727 then :) 

 

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On 6/27/2024 at 9:23 AM, JuliusWong said:

Yes, they are referring to Thai Vietjet.......

 

Because other source said it will be the Vietnamese Vietjet Air with increasing flight frequencies (or maybe launching new flights to KUL from other Vietnamese cities ie Hanoi, Danang, etc..)

https://www.ttrweekly.com/site/2024/06/airlines-flying-to-klia-back-at-pre-covid-level/

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Qingdao Airlines Adds Qingdao – Kuala Lumpur From July 2024

Chinese carrier Qingdao Airlines next week plans to add new service to Malaysia, with the scheduling of Qingdao – Kuala Lumpur route. From 09JUL24, the carrier’s airbus A321 aircraft will operate this route 3 times weekly.

QW9893 TAO0905 – 1450KUL 321 246
QW9894 KUL1550 – 2140TAO 321 46
QW9894 KUL1550 – 2145TOA 321 2

 

China Eastern Schedules Yantai – Kuala Lumpur in 3Q24

China Eastern in the third quarter of 2024 plans to introduce additional route to Malaysia, as the airline schedules Yantai – Kuala Lumpur nonstop flight. Operating for 4-week period, the Skyteam member will serve this route twice weekly from 28JUL24 to 29AUG24 with Airbus A320.

MU7363 YNT1750 – 0020+1KUL 320 37
MU7364 KUL0120 – 0750YNT 320 14

https://www.aeroroutes.com/

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