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Yes the B739s may be more suitable for regional routes, with Y class configured to 32" seat pitch. The current B738s are more suitable for domestic and shorter flights.

 

I think that if MH wants a proven aircraft with short delivery times, the A332/A333 are their only options. With the B787/A350 yet to prove themselves in commercial service, MH might not want to take any risks. Besides deliveries will be far too long as the B772s may need to be retired pretty soon.

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For regional/medium haul operations, MH could stamp out some regional operators if they operate 739 and make it having generous seat pitches in Y and J. As narrowbody operating cost is much lower, MH won't bleed much if the flight is not full.

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I agree. I think the B739 would be a very useful aircraft for low-density regional routes.

As for having the A332, it would be a cost saving to have them as they would share the same maintenance as the A333 compared to the B772.

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I agree. I think the B739 would be a very useful aircraft for low-density regional routes.

As for having the A332, it would be a cost saving to have them as they would share the same maintenance as the A333 compared to the B772.

 

Agree.

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Hello fellow-flyers on the (not so new now) A333 Recaro seats,

 

I discovered a more comfortable seating position quite by mistake. Remember the photo with MAS chairman Tengku Azmil looking quite ungainly in the seat? Well, as I said, photos make you put on 10 pounds more, and the current seat position for "takeoff" is set to make one look very dumpy. Problem is, it is neither reclined nor upright, with a very uncomfortable lump in the small of one's back - quite awful actually.

 

So, what did I do? I pressed the "M" (Memory) button, then lifted the armrest cover to access the secondary control panel. Press the button to raise the seat back further upright, then seat pan down. This adjusts the seat back forward by some 4 inches (10cm), tipping the seat more bolt upright. When compared with the seat next to me in the "take-off" position, this position was far more forward.

 

I actually find this upright position far more comfortable, and I recommend it if one is sitting still for a long period without wanting to put tension on any of the joints. This position resembles the "Take-off and Landing" preset button on the B773, which is very comfortable.

 

Maybe you engineers / aviation specialists can advise why these Recaro seats behave in this way too... pressing buttons in certain sequences can make seats articulate to an entirely different position.

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ThaiA345 of A.Net posted this TR yesterday http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/trip_reports/read.main/190357/ but it is about MH's new J on the B738 (he flew on MH's latest B738 9M-MXD for his CGK-KUL sector). He has promised to write a full blown TR on MH's new J on the new A333 when he flies to BNE next week and he wanted all of us here in MalaysianWings to be on high alert about it.

ThaiA345 of A.Net has posted his trip report as promised. http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/trip_reports/read.main/191621/

 

It is the first trip report featuring MH's new A333 in J in A.Net.

 

As mentioned in the TR, apparently the spanking new MTB has a faulty generator. Sadly from his point of view as a frequent traveller, the hardware of MH's new A333 is just mediocre and will become obsolete in a couple of years.

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That type of J seats have been in service with other airlines for a long long time. MH is very good at playing catch up. :p

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Sadly from his point of view as a frequent traveller, the hardware of MH's new A333 is just mediocre and will become obsolete in a couple of years.

 

 

AGreed wholeheartedly. It will be obsolete in a couple of years time, when MH is still receiving the "new" A333s. Mediocre with a capital M, and a disappointment. MH only compares the new A333 with its own ancient hardware on the existing A333, and pretend that it is competing only with D7.

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ThaiA345 of A.Net has posted his trip report as promised. http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/trip_reports/read.main/191621/

 

It is the first trip report featuring MH's new A333 in J in A.Net.

 

As mentioned in the TR, apparently the spanking new MTB has a faulty generator. Sadly from his point of view as a frequent traveller, the hardware of MH's new A333 is just mediocre and will become obsolete in a couple of years.

 

From what I've heard from my SZB friends, they are testing and soliciting feedbacks for new fully flat seats for the A380. I have a feeling that once the A380 comes online, the new planes thereafter will be fitted with the new seats, and the current new A330s will be retrofitted once they come in for maintenance.

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From what I've heard from my SZB friends, they are testing and soliciting feedbacks for new fully flat seats for the A380. I have a feeling that once the A380 comes online, the new planes thereafter will be fitted with the new seats, and the current new A330s will be retrofitted once they come in for maintenance.

 

 

I doubt so... there will probably be a shift in the routes the new 9M-MT* birds operate when MH announces whatever order it has for its 772 replacement - probably these aircraft will feature the same business class/first class product as the A380 for long haul.

 

The 9M-MT* fleet, will operate more regional services (which include any destination within 6 hours radius). There is nothing wrong with operating such a seat - others have done so for years.

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The 9M-MT* fleet, will operate more regional services (which include any destination within 6 hours radius). There is nothing wrong with operating such a seat - others have done so for years.

 

I agree with that - even SQ's regional business class is not fully lie flat (although it has a few other tiny details). As I have said before in this thread, I am not sure how else airlines are supposed to improve regional C seats. Fully lie flat is not necessary.

 

In the past year, I have flown SQ, MH, TG, CX on regional routes. Only MH (772)and SQ(A330/772/744) offer lie flat (at angle) seats on my flights.

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Sadly from his point of view as a frequent traveller, the hardware of MH's new A333 is just mediocre and will become obsolete in a couple of years.

 

To quote mr thaia345 exactly :

 

My thoughts of MH new A333 is that of course this bird is a major step forward from their old A333, however, by the time all of their new A333 enters service, their inflight product will be outdated yet again. So in short, the new A333 have good inflight products, however, I will not use it for such a long route to BNE, but routes to India and maybe Osaka is definitely ok. Well that’s just my 2 cents worth.

 

just to put it clearly for the benefit of readers here. :drinks:

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There may be others and I don't know if it has been mentioned, but the new J seats are not similar, but identical to the J seats on Finnair widebodies. Anyone know how long AY have had the seats?

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MH aren't the only ones to place orders for new A333 aircraft tho. CX for instance, have placed orders for another 20 birds. Pretty sure MH will have to replace the workhorse 772's with the 787 or 350 variances in the future (probably serve most European routes). I guess the A333 will be suitable for high volume regional and Asian routes? Probably a couple of Aussie destinations?

 

Tho I agree, they will probably be at the bottom of the waiting list when that time (placing orders for 787 or 350) finally comes.

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There may be others and I don't know if it has been mentioned, but the new J seats are not similar, but identical to the J seats on Finnair widebodies. Anyone know how long AY have had the seats?

A few years at least. And they are in the process of phasing out this seat completely from their long-haul fleets. If i'm not mistaken, more than half of their 333/343 already have the fully-flat Biz seat installed. The fully-flat Biz seat is similar to the one found on LX 333 and some LX 343.

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Regarding the quote that the BNE is too long a route for these seats, does anyone know if any airline actually offer full flat seats between say SIN or BKK or HKG to BNE? SQ certainly doesn't on their A330s. What about QF or CX?

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To quote mr thaia345 exactly :

 

My thoughts of MH new A333 is that of course this bird is a major step forward from their old A333, however, by the time all of their new A333 enters service, their inflight product will be outdated yet again. So in short, the new A333 have good inflight products, however, I will not use it for such a long route to BNE, but routes to India and maybe Osaka is definitely ok. Well that’s just my 2 cents worth.

just to put it clearly for the benefit of readers here. :drinks:

He said this

 

Sadly, looking at the new A333 J product, it looks like they will yet again be playing catch up! WIll be posting the new A333 in a few minutes after this reply !

about MH's new J product on the A333 in another TR of his, minutes before posting that trip report. So I guess I do not mislead by summed it up as 'mediocre and will become obsolete in a couple of years.'

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I agree with that - even SQ's regional business class is not fully lie flat (although it has a few other tiny details). As I have said before in this thread, I am not sure how else airlines are supposed to improve regional C seats. Fully lie flat is not necessary.

 

In the past year, I have flown SQ, MH, TG, CX on regional routes. Only MH (772)and SQ(A330/772/744) offer lie flat (at angle) seats on my flights.

 

+1. I have flown on SQ, NH, OZ, TG regional C and they are all comparable to MH's new C. I do not see why full-flat is necessary considering most of the A333 flights are flying for 8 hours or less (and usually only one-red-eye per destination/direction). NH doesn't have lie-flat (it's like a cradle seat) in their newly launched "Inspiration of Japan" regional C and LH/JJ doesn't even have full-flat on their new long-haul C.

 

Also, MH does not attract that many premium passengers (that'll be another topic, but the seat itself is not the primary factor - schedule and lack of premium traffic into KUL are probably the main reasons). Without passengers paying premium price for MH C, it'd be hard to justify a regional C with an out of this world seat.

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MH's first A332F, 9M-MUA as per MH's MD/CEO Tweet. Delivery is in September 2011. MH is going to receive 2 A332F in 2011.

 

http://lockerz.com/s/113975497

http://lockerz.com/s/113974615

 

 

Also delivery of MH's 4th new A333E, 9M-MTD.

 

http://lockerz.com/s/113701183

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Looking at MH new A330 Y cabin, white pillows and no head covers? You could be mistaken for taking an LCC. While SQ can have a designer pillow and stuff, why MH can't be more creative?

 

 

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