Guide on Regional Flights by Non Regional Airlines

[Mohd Azizul Ramli 2]

I don't think it's that simple to book some of the flights. For example, how do you book a KUL-PEK-KUL flight on Air Zimbabwe?

 

KUL-CGK-KUL not bookable on Kuwait Airways website.

Airpearl did Air Zimbabwe's KUL-PEK-KUL recently. Kindly refer to Airpearl Shrine thread in the Flight Logbook subforum. The ticket has to be purchased from their appointed agent in Malaysia.

 

As for Kuwait Airways' KUL-CGK-KUL, you have to contact their agent in Malaysia too, Roystar Travel & Tours, as mentioned in reply #10 in this thread.

[H C Chai 4]

Let's do a recap for regional flights by non regional airlines from these following airports:

 

KLIA (KUL)

1. Air Zimbabwe | KUL-PEK-KUL | 1 weekly | B762ER

2. Emirates | KUL-MEL-KUL | Daily | B77W

3. KLM | KUL-CGK-KUL | Daily | B77W/B772ER

4. Kuwait Airways | KUL-CGK-KUL | Unspecified | A343

5. Lufthansa | KUL-BKK-KUL | 3 weekly | B744

6. Qatar Airways | KUL-HKT-KUL | 6 weekly | A332/A333 *Begins 11 October 2010

7. Royal Jordanian | KUL-BKK-KUL | 4 weekly | A332

8. Yemenia | KUL-DXB-KUL | Unspecified | A332

 

Impressive list, Azizul!

 

I didn't know that there are so many airlines doing the BKK-HKG route!

 

Just to add:

 

For KUL-BKK-KUL, Lufthansa frequency should be 4 weekly and Royal Jordanian 3 weekly

For KUL-HKT-KUL, Qatar Airways frequency will increase from 6 weekly to 7 weekly effective 1 November 2010.

[Mohd Azizul Ramli 2]

Just a reminder, Air Zimbabwe's KUL-PEK run may not be available for the time being after the recent pilot strike at the airline which lead to the firing of all 40 pilots working at Air Zimbabwe. http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/4929902/

[Raj 0]

Doesn't Air Niugini fly POM-SIN-KUL-POM?

[Mohd Azizul Ramli 2]

I didn't know that there are so many airlines doing the BKK-HKG route!

 

Just to add:

 

For KUL-BKK-KUL, Lufthansa frequency should be 4 weekly and Royal Jordanian 3 weekly

For KUL-HKT-KUL, Qatar Airways frequency will increase from 6 weekly to 7 weekly effective 1 November 2010.

Thanks for the correction Calvin, those info were recalled from memory only.

 

BKK-HKG vv is indeed the mother of all 5th freedom tag-on routes in our region. Let see... we have China Airlines, Emirates, Ethiopian, Kenyan, Pakistan, Royal Jordanian and Sri Lankan plying the route. This is on top of Orient Thai, Thai AirAsia and Thai Airways (airlines from Thailand) and also Cathay Pacific and Hong Kong Airlines (airlines from Hong Kong). So in total there are 12 airlines (7 foreign players, 3 Thai players and 2 Hong Kong players) on the route, which offer flights from as small as in A320 into as big as A380. I think SIN-BKK vv used to be the route favoured for tag-on flights as well but the foreign players succumbed to SQ's prowess on the route (SWISS, Biman etc).

 

 

Doesn't Air Niugini fly POM-SIN-KUL-POM?

Yes, but they don't have rights to carry passengers on the route. The same is applied to Air Mauritius and Sri Lankan.

 

 

KLIA (KUL)

1. Air Zimbabwe | KUL-PEK-KUL | 1 weekly | B762ER

2. Emirates | KUL-MEL-KUL | Daily | B77W

3. KLM | KUL-CGK-KUL | Daily | B77W/B772ER

4. Kuwait Airways | KUL-CGK-KUL | Unspecified | A343

5. Lufthansa | KUL-BKK-KUL | 3 weekly | B744

6. Qatar Airways | KUL-HKT-KUL | 6 weekly | A332/A333 *Begins 11 October 2010

7. Royal Jordanian | KUL-BKK-KUL | 4 weekly | A332

8. Yemenia | KUL-DXB-KUL | Unspecified | A332

On top of this list, there are also 2 other airlines which are Saudi Arabian and Yemenia that ply the KUL-CGK-KUL route. However, I have no knowledge whether the airlines have traffic rights or not. The only way to know is to contact the airlines directly.

[Mohd Azizul Ramli 2]

Exciting news guys! The 5 star rated Qatar Airways has started selling tickets to Phuket from our very own KLIA.

 

 

http://www.qatarairways.com/my/en/homepage.html

[Pieter C. 5]

So, when do I see a QR flight-attendant in your signature ?

[jani 0]

Were my eyes playing tricks on me or did yesterday the advertised fare was RM98 and today it's RM418?

[Mohd Azizul Ramli 2]

So, when do I see a QR flight-attendant in your signature ?

LOL, Pieter! But another Middle Eastern airline with the mass produced premium product with faux gold hardwares with inconsistent multi national cabin crew with 10 abrest seats in Economy Class has got me signed up with their loyalty program. You knew how serious I treat my FFP affairs, don't you?

 

 

Were my eyes playing tricks on me or did yesterday the advertised fare was RM98 and today it's RM418?

No, your eyes are not playing trick on you. It was MYR 99 yesterday. I wished I would have 'save image' rather than just copying the image's URL. Maybe the response is too overwhelming that they decided to increase the lowest price? Contacting Nastar...

[Mohd Azizul Ramli 2]

Suvarnabhumi (BKK)

1. Air France | BKK-HAN-BKK | B744 *Ends 30 October 2010

2. Air France | BKK-SGN-BKK | B744 *Ends 2 November 2010

With AF ending their tag-on flights to HAN and SGN (in favour of non stop flights to both destinations), a new tag-on flight from BKK will be introduced beginning 27 March 2011. Air France is going to Phnom Penh, Cambodia!

 

Phnom Penh, new destination

Wednesday 20 October 2010

http://corporate.airfrance.com/en/press/news/article/item/phnom-penh-nouvelle-destination/?no_cache=1

 

Starting 27 March 2011, Air France will begin operating a new service between Paris-Charles de Gaulle and Phnom Penh, the Cambodian capital. Flight bookings and ticket sales are now open.

 

The three weekly flights between Paris and Phnom Penh, with a stopover in Bangkok, will be operated by Airbus A340-300 equipped with 275 seats (30 in Business, 21 in Premium Voyageur and 224 in Voyageur-Economy), and subsequently during summer 2011 by Boeing 777-200ER equipped with 309 seats (35 in Business, 24 in Premium Voyageur and 250 in Voyageur-Economy).

 

Flight schedules between Paris and Phnom Penh

 

Paris-CDG / Phnom Penh

AF 274, on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays

Departing at 19:30, and arriving in Bangkok at 11:50, the following day,

Departing for Phnom Penh the same day at 13:20, arriving at 14.35

 

Phnom Penh / Paris-CDG

AF 273, on Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays

Departing at 20:15, and arriving in Bangkok at 21:30

Departing for Paris the same day at 22:55, and arriving at 06:10, the following day.

Flight times allow customers to benefit from convenient connecting opportunities to and from destinations worldwide at Paris-Charles de Gaulle.

Usually there will be a pair (since this service is only 3 weekly), now I wonder which other city that PNH is going to be paired with (that will receive the remaining 4 weekly service) from BKK. KUL?

 

Additional info on AF's flight changes in BKK, HAN and SGN.

• Bangkok service becomes terminator flight, no longer extends to Vietnam (now apparently extends to Cambodia)
  
• Hanoi service CANCELED. Service codeshare on Vietnam Airlines, operating 5 times a week
  
• Ho Chi Minh NONSTOP 3 weekly 747-400 service, in addition to 2 weekly operated by Vietnam Airlines
  
• NEW 3-class 777-300ER to operate service to Ho Chi Minh, replacing 747, from 04JAN11. Configuration on this flight is J23 W24 Y136
  

[Juergen Witte 0]

But still ...

 

Here´s a "new" one:

 

LAN flies now MAD-CDG-MAD thrice weekly (3,5,7) with A340 from 89,-EUR rt incl. Tax

[Pieter C. 5]

[*]NEW 3-class 777-300ER to operate service to Ho Chi Minh, replacing 747, from 04JAN11. Configuration on this flight is J23 W24 Y136

 

With this configuartion, the seatpitch should be awesome: total on AF 183 seats, while KL has a 425 seat configuration on their 773's...

[Mohd Azizul Ramli 2]

With this configuartion, the seatpitch should be awesome: total on AF 183 seats, while KL has a 425 seat configuration on their 773's.

Probably a typo. I copied accordingly from the source.

 

In the mean time...

 

Wow, TK is really expanding: they're also opening up a route to SGN via BKK.

 

So here is the updated list for BKK:

 

Suvarnabhumi (BKK)

1. Air France | BKK-HAN-BKK | B744 *Ends 30 October 2010

2. Air France | BKK-SGN-BKK | B744 *Ends 31 October 2010

3. Air France | BKK-PNH-BKK | B744/B77W *Begins 28 March 2011

4. Air Madagascar | BKK-CAN-BKK

5. British Airways | BKK-SYD-BKK

6. Cathay Pacific | BKK-CMB-BKK

7. Cathay Pacific | BKK-DEL-BKK

8. Cathay Pacific | BKK-KHI-BKK

9. Cathay Pacific | BKK-BOM-BKK

10. Cathay Pacific | BKK-SIN-BKK

11. China Airlines | BKK-AMS-BKK

12. China Airlines | BKK-HKG-BKK *Ends 30 October 2010

13. Drukair | BKK-DAC-BKK

14. Drukair | BKK-CCU-BKK

15. Drukair | BKK-Gaya-BKK

16. Drukair | BKK-IXB-BKK

17. Egyptair | BKK-CAN-BKK

18. Emirates | BKK-SYD-CHC-SYD-BKK

19. Emirates | BKK-HKG-BKK

20. Ethiopian Airlines | BKK-CAN-BKK

21. Ethiopian Airlines | BKK-HKG-BKK

22. EVA | BKK-AMS-BKK

23. EVA | BKK-LHR-BKK

24. EVA | BKK-VIE-BKK

25. Kenya Airways | BKK-CAN-BKK

26. Kenya Airways | BKK-HKG-BKK

27. KLM | BKK-TPE-BKK

28. Kuwait Airways | BKK-MNL-BKK

29. Lufthansa | BKK-SGN-BKK

30. Lufthansa | BKK-KUL-BKK

31. PIA | BKK-HKG-BKK

32. Qantas | BKK-LHR-BKK

33. Qatar Airways | BKK-HAN-BKK *Begins 1 November 2010

34. Qatar Airways | BKK-SGN-BKK

35. Royal Jordanian | BKK-HKG-BKK

36. Royal Jordanian | BKK-KUL-BKK

37. Sri Lankan | BKK-PEK-BKK

38. Sri Lankan | BKK-HKG-BKK

39. Sri Lankan | BKK-PVG-BKK

40. Turkish | BKK-SGN-BKK *Begins 29 December 2010

 

But still ...

 

Here´s a "new" one:

 

LAN flies now MAD-CDG-MAD thrice weekly (3,5,7) with A340 from 89,-EUR rt incl. Tax

And so, here is the latest and most current list of all (? hopefully) intra-Europe flights by non EU carriers with 5th freedom rights to carry passengers from both points, as follows:

 

Emirates

LCA-MLA-LCA | A332

 

Ethiopian Airlines

FCO-ARN-FCO | B752

 

Korean Air

AMS-MAD | B772 | 3 weekly (only one way as the flight is a triangular ICN-AMS-MAD-ICN)

VIE-ZRH | B772 | 3 weekly (only one way as the flight is a triangular ICN-VIE-ZRH-ICN)

 

Kuwait Airways

FRA-GVA-FRA | A306/A343

FCO-CDG-FCO | A306/A343 | 4 times per week

 

LAN Airlines

MAD-FRA-MAD | A343 | Daily

MAD-CDG-MAD | A343 | 3 times per week

 

PIA Pakistan International Airlines

CPH-OSL-CPH | B772

AMS-IST-AMS | A310

 

Singapore Airlines

MUC-MAN-MUC | B77W

Edited October 24, 2010 by Mohd Azizul Ramli

[Pieter C. 5]

Probably a typo. I copied accordingly from the source.

 

In the mean time...

 

 

 

So here is the updated list for BKK:

 

Suvarnabhumi (BKK)

11. China Airlines | BKK-AMS-BKK

 

You can hardly call this Regional: I guess you meant BKK-TPE-BKK here...

[Mohd Azizul Ramli 2]

Another one coming to our shores!

 

QR's plans call for a thrice weekly SUB service via KUL. At the same time KUL service would increase from the current 11 weekly to twice daily. As for SUB, the market for a service to the Middle East is likely there, but the yields are probably not much to talk about. If anyone could do it, it is likely an airline like QR though.

The list for KUL then will be:

 

KLIA (KUL)

1. Air Zimbabwe | KUL-PEK-KUL | 1 weekly | B762ER

2. Emirates | KUL-MEL-KUL | Daily | B77W

3. KLM | KUL-CGK-KUL | Daily | B77W/B772ER

4. Kuwait Airways | KUL-CGK-KUL | Unspecified | A343

5. Lufthansa | KUL-BKK-KUL | 4 weekly | B744

6. Qatar Airways | KUL-HKT-KUL | 6 weekly | A332/A333

7. Qatar Airways | KUL-SUB-KUL | 3 weekly | A332/A333 *To be announced

8. Royal Jordanian | KUL-BKK-KUL | 3 weekly | A332

9. Yemenia | KUL-DXB-KUL | Unspecified | A332

10. Yemenia | KUL-CGK-KUL | Unspecified *Status unconfirmed

11. Saudi Arabian | KUL-CGK-KUL | Unspecified *Status unconfirmed

[jani 0]

Great catch for KUL. At first I was surprised "Why Surabaya?"

 

Then I looked it up, didn't know before this that the airport is served by many other international airlines like Cathay, EVA, Saudia,

[Mohd Azizul Ramli 2]

Suroboyo is also Indonesia's 2nd largest city with a catchment area of more than 5.5 million people.

[JuliusWong 0]

Most of my uni mates use the KLM tag on flights when they go back for summer holiday. I asked them why not AirAsia or their own Garuda. Their reply: Both AK and GA are el cheapo aka too cheap but poor service). I was like: Eerrr.....*speechless*

[Pieter C. 5]

Most of my uni mates use the KLM tag on flights when they go back for summer holiday. I asked them why not AirAsia or their own Garuda. Their reply: Both AK and GA are el cheapo aka too cheap but poor service). I was like: Eerrr.....*speechless*

 

Probably they see KLM as some sort of "status", and good to brag about that to others ?

[Johan Z 0]

Well, some people prefer to spend more money on well-known quality services. In this case, KL, although GA is improving.

[JuliusWong 0]

Probably they see KLM as some sort of "status", and good to brag about that to others ?

 

Well, some people prefer to spend more money on well-known quality services. In this case, KL, although GA is improving.

 

Perhaps so...talk abt nationalism....guess they are not that extreme.

[Mohd Azizul Ramli 2]

Updated list of all 5th freedom flights from 4 of the largest airports in South East Asia:

 

KLIA (KUL)

1. Air Arabia | KUL-KTM-KUL | *Starting on 17 December 2010

2. Air Zimbabwe | KUL-PEK-KUL | 1 weekly | B762ER

3. Emirates | KUL-MEL-KUL | Daily | B77W

4. KLM | KUL-CGK-KUL | Daily | B77W/B772ER

5. Kuwait Airways | KUL-CGK-KUL | 3 weekly | A343

6. Lufthansa | KUL-BKK-KUL | 4 weekly | B744

7. Qatar Airways | KUL-HKT-KUL | 7 weekly | A332/A333

8. Qatar Airways | KUL-SUB-KUL | 3 weekly | A332/A333 *To be announced

9. Royal Jordanian | KUL-BKK-KUL | 3 weekly | A332

10. Yemenia | KUL-DXB | 2 weekly | A332 *One way only as flight is a triangular Sana'a-DXB-KUL-CGK-DXB-Sana'a

11. Yemenia | KUL-CGK | 2 weekly | A332 *One way only as flight is a triangular Sana'a-DXB-KUL-CGK-DXB-Sana'a

12. Saudi Arabian | KUL-CGK-KUL | Unspecified *Status unconfirmed

 

Air Niugini, Air Mauritius and Sri Lankan fly between KUL and SIN but with no traffic rights.

 

Rumour/Speculation stage: Turkish Airlines' IST-KUL-SYD vv, Air France's CDG-XXX-KUL vv, and the return of British Airways to KUL http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/4995646/

 

 

Changi (SIN)

1. British Airways | SIN-SYD-SIN

2. Cathay Pacific | SIN-BKK-SIN

3. Cathay Pacific | SIN-CMB-SIN

4. China Airlines | SIN-SUB-SIN

5. Delta Airlines | SIN-NRT-SIN

6. Emirates | SIN-BNE-SIN

7. Emirates | SIN-CMB-SIN

8. Emirates | SIN-MEL-SIN

9. Etihad | SIN-BNE-SIN

10. Jetstar (Australia) | SIN-DPS-SIN

11. Jetstar (Australia) | SIN-CGK-SIN

12. KLM | SIN-DPS-SIN

13. Lion Air | SIN-SGN-SIN

14. Lufthansa | SIN-CGK-SIN

15. MAI | SIN-BKK-SIN

16. Philippines Airlines | SIN-CGK-SIN

17. Qantas | SIN-FRA-SIN

18. Qantas | SIN-LHR-SIN

19. Qantas | SIN-BOM-SIN

20. Qatar Airways | SIN-DPS-SIN

21. Saudi Arabian Airlines | SIN-CGK-SIN

22. United Airlines | SIN-HKG-SIN

23. United Airlines | SIN-NRT-SIN

 

Sri Lankan flies between SIN and KUL but with no traffic rights.

 

 

Suvarnabhumi (BKK)

1. Air France | BKK-PNH-BKK | B744/B77W *Begins 28 March 2011

2. Air Madagascar | BKK-CAN-BKK

3. British Airways | BKK-SYD-BKK

4. Cathay Pacific | BKK-CMB-BKK

5. Cathay Pacific | BKK-DEL-BKK

6. Cathay Pacific | BKK-KHI-BKK

7. Cathay Pacific | BKK-BOM-BKK

8. Cathay Pacific | BKK-SIN-BKK

9. China Airlines | BKK-AMS-BKK

10. Delta | BKK-NRT-BKK

11. Drukair | BKK-DAC-BKK

12. Drukair | BKK-Bagdogra-BKK

13. Drukair | BKK-Guwahati-BKK

14. Egyptair | BKK-CAN-BKK

15. Emirates | BKK-SYD-CHC-SYD-BKK

16. Emirates | BKK-HKG-BKK

17. Ethiopian Airlines | BKK-CAN-BKK

18. Ethiopian Airlines | BKK-HKG-BKK

19. EVA | BKK-AMS-BKK

20. EVA | BKK-LHR-BKK

21. EVA | BKK-VIE-BKK

22. Kenya Airways | BKK-CAN-BKK

23. Kenya Airways | BKK-HKG-BKK

24. KLM | BKK-TPE-BKK

25. Kuwait Airways | BKK-MNL-BKK

26. Lufthansa | BKK-SGN-BKK

27. Lufthansa | BKK-KUL-BKK

28. MAI | BKK-SIN-BKK

29. PIA | BKK-HKG-BKK

30. Philippine | BKK-DEL-BKK *Begins 28 March 2011

31. Qantas | BKK-LHR-BKK

32. Qatar Airways | BKK-HAN-BKK

33. Qatar Airways | BKK-SGN-BKK

34. Royal Jordanian | BKK-HKG-BKK

35. Royal Jordanian | BKK-KUL-BKK

36. Sri Lankan | BKK-PEK-BKK

37. Sri Lankan | BKK-CAN-BKK *Begins 28 January 2011

38. Sri Lankan | BKK-HKG-BKK

39. Sri Lankan | BKK-PVG-BKK

40. Turkish | BKK-SGN-BKK *Begins 29 December 2010

 

 

Soekarno-Hatta (CGK)

1. Aeroflot | CGK-BKK-CGK *To be confirmed

2. China Airlines | CGK-HKG-CGK

3. Jetstar (Australia) | CGK-SIN-CGK

4. KLM | CGK-KUL-CGK

5. Kuwait Airways | CGK-KUL-CGK

6. Lufthansa | CGK-SIN-CGK

7. Philippines Airlines | CGK-SIN-CGK

8. Yemenia | CGK-KUL-CGK

 

Turkish Airline flies SIN-CGK-SIN but with no traffic rights.

Edited December 10, 2010 by Mohd Azizul Ramli

[Juergen Witte 0]

@ 9M-MAR

 

Are you sure Sri Lankan does not have traffic rights between SIN-KUL vv. ???

 

I can remember that they used to sell this tag-on not too long ago (at least it was bookable on their website then).

I will check the actual status of that !

Maybe the traffic rights have been revoked. (for whatever reasons there were ...)

 

Jürgen

[c.lee 0]

Tried to do a mock booking for SIN-KUL vv on UL. Apparently it is not bookable on their own website, but the flights can be booked through Zuji.

[Mohd Azizul Ramli 2]

I did a little research, and it is true that the flight is available on Zuji. And it is both ways, SIN-KUL-SIN or KUL-SIN-KUL. I tried on Kayak and Expedia as well, but Sri Lankan was not listed by them.

 

 

So I guess the latest list for KUL now would be:

 

KLIA (KUL)

1. Air Arabia | KUL-KTM-KUL | *Starting on 17 December 2010

2. Air Zimbabwe | KUL-PEK-KUL | 1 weekly | B762ER

3. Emirates | KUL-MEL-KUL | Daily | B77W

4. KLM | KUL-CGK-KUL | Daily | B77W/B772ER

5. Kuwait Airways | KUL-CGK-KUL | 3 weekly | A343

6. Lufthansa | KUL-BKK-KUL | 4 weekly | B744

7. Qatar Airways | KUL-HKT-KUL | 7 weekly | A332/A333

8. Qatar Airways | KUL-SUB-KUL | 3 weekly | A332/A333 *To be announced

9. Royal Jordanian | KUL-BKK-KUL | 3 weekly | A332

10. Yemenia | DXB-KUL | 2 weekly | A332 *One way only as flight is a triangular SAH-DXB-KUL-CGK-DXB-SAH

11. Yemenia | KUL-CGK | 2 weekly | A332 *One way only as flight is a triangular SAH-DXB-KUL-CGK-DXB-SAH

12. Saudi Arabian | KUL-CGK-KUL | Unspecified *Status unconfirmed

13. Sri Lankan | KUL-SIN-KUL

 

Air Niugini and Air Mauritius fly between KUL and SIN but with no traffic rights.

 

Rumour/Speculation stage: Turkish Airlines' IST-KUL-SYD vv, Air France's CDG-XXX-KUL vv, and the return of British Airways to KUL http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/4995646/

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Also some correction to the CGK list to match the Yemenia flights via KUL.

 

Soekarno-Hatta (CGK)

1. Aeroflot | CGK-BKK-CGK *To be confirmed

2. China Airlines | CGK-HKG-CGK

3. Jetstar (Australia) | CGK-SIN-CGK

4. KLM | CGK-KUL-CGK

5. Kuwait Airways | CGK-KUL-CGK

6. Lufthansa | CGK-SIN-CGK

7. Philippines Airlines | CGK-SIN-CGK

8. Yemenia | KUL-CGK | *One way only as flight is a triangular SAH-DXB-KUL-CGK-DXB-SAH

9. Yemenia | CGK-DXB | *One way only as flight is a triangular SAH-DXB-KUL-CGK-DXB-SAH

 

Turkish Airlines flies SIN-CGK-SIN but with no traffic rights.