Cheng Kit 0 Report post Posted April 19, 2009 Starting 01JUN09, MAS service to Amsterdam sees a change from a Boeing 747 to a 777. Source: airlinerouteblogspot Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pieter C. 5 Report post Posted April 23, 2009 Starting 01JUN09, MAS service to Amsterdam sees a change from a Boeing 747 to a 777. Source: airlinerouteblogspot Why the angry face, Cheng ? Loads ex AMS have dropped dramatically, so this change would be a reasonable one, given the lower operational costs of a 777 versus 744... When will we meet in AMS, TK ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mohd sukri abd hamid 0 Report post Posted April 23, 2009 old news mate..i know about 1 month a go Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Y C LEONG 1 Report post Posted April 23, 2009 pieter, do u know if MH is still using codeco in AMS? i cant seem to well u may say 'stalk' on MH17 from AMS now. or the flight no has changed?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nik H. 3 Report post Posted April 24, 2009 Amsterdam....we ised to stay at teh Sonaesta Hotel, smack in the middle of the city, everyrthing from history, heritage, technology and sex within 10 minutes walking distance. Amsterdam in my opinion has got to be the best European city in the world. and the B747 is dying a slow death everywhere..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ja Singh 2 Report post Posted April 24, 2009 and the B747 is dying a slow death everywhere..... Not with MH, they age gracefully....... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cheng Kit 0 Report post Posted December 31, 2011 (edited) Again on 5 March 2012 from: /here As per 28DEC11 GDS Inventory display, Malaysia Airlines starting 05MAR12 is reducing capacity on Kuala Lumpur – Amsterdam route, with 282-seater Boeing 777-200ER replacing 359-seater Boeing 747-400. Timetable search has not yet reflecting this change. The reduction will be maintained in Summer 2012 season effective 25MAR12. First Class service will also be cancelled as a result. With the aircraft change, Malaysia Airlines’ remaining Boeing 747-400 operation is Kuala Lumpur – London Heathrow and Kuala Lumpur – Sydney. Schedule effective 25MAR12: MH016 KUL2355 – 0655+1AMS 772 D MH017 AMS1200 – 0630+1KUL 772 D Edited December 31, 2011 by Cheng Kit Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Izanee 0 Report post Posted December 31, 2011 (edited) Pieter, why have the loads ex-AMS dropped dramatically? Are MH still continuing to codeshare with KL? I think they both had a good relationship and this should continue, just like AF and QF (despite being in rival alliances). I think its such a shame cos I really wanted MH to be in Skyteam. Oh well, no use crying over spilt milk that has curdled and is being eaten by the local mongrel. Edited December 31, 2011 by Izanee Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lock SH 0 Report post Posted January 1, 2012 (edited) Not only MH but CX as well. May be this time of the year, it is more economical to use smaller aircraft to service a 'long and thin' route. CX is alternating between B744 and A343 for HKG-AMS-HKG this time of the year. I am not sure what is their plan for summer schedule. Edited January 1, 2012 by Lock SH Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pieter C. 5 Report post Posted January 1, 2012 Izanee, Only 70 seats less per flight, but huge savings regarding the fuel-consumption...so, good decision of MH !!! the Netherlands is in a resession right now, just like the rest of the EU: so traffic has dropped dramatically (people tend to spend holidays again in Europe, rather than far-away places like Asia), also for business people; don't think this has anything to do with the KL-MH code-share...although, in the future, I think it's thinkable for KL switching to GA, esp. when AMS-CGK will become non-stop (with 777's), and when there are good/excellent connection ex JKT, it might be better for the passengers to connect there for Australia and staying within one Alliance... just my 2 cents... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zamim 0 Report post Posted January 2, 2012 Izanee, Only 70 seats less per flight, but huge savings regarding the fuel-consumption...so, good decision of MH !!! the Netherlands is in a resession right now, just like the rest of the EU: so traffic has dropped dramatically (people tend to spend holidays again in Europe, rather than far-away places like Asia), also for business people; don't think this has anything to do with the KL-MH code-share...although, in the future, I think it's thinkable for KL switching to GA, esp. when AMS-CGK will become non-stop (with 777's), and when there are good/excellent connection ex JKT, it might be better for the passengers to connect there for Australia and staying within one Alliance... just my 2 cents... To continue with your comment, actually, KLM is not that happy when MAS decided to join One World. MAS is using KLM traffic right to operate B747, so since MAS cannot fill up the seats might as well downgrade to B777. B777-300ER would suit MAS operations but MAS has none. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Y. J. Foo 0 Report post Posted January 2, 2012 KLM is not that happy when MAS decided to join One World. MAS is using KLM traffic right to operate B747, so since MAS cannot fill up the seats might as well downgrade to B777. B777-300ER would suit MAS operations but MAS has none. It's not like MH didn't try to join ST; the haughty AF was preventing it from happening in the first place. 787/A350s are more appropriate for MH to operate such long-and-thin routes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Josh T 0 Report post Posted January 2, 2012 It's not like MH didn't try to join ST; the haughty AF was preventing it from happening in the first place. Exactly!! KLM have no right to bitch about MH joining OW. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris Kim 0 Report post Posted January 2, 2012 It's not like MH didn't try to join ST; the haughty AF was preventing it from happening in the first place. 787/A350s are more appropriate for MH to operate such long-and-thin routes. Very true, but i don't know if the AF part is quite right. If MH got a pass into ST they would have already entered instead of ending up in OW, we could say MH had no choice? *A already has both TG & SQ and ST has VN & soon GA and I highly doubt any of these carriers would like to share whilst they have OW all to themselves in the region. What is the main traffic between AMS & KUL? Mainly VFR or more Business oriented? Regardless KL is already trying to replace MH, they have already placed their code on CZ flights, and VN is not too far away for flights to Australia. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chris Tan 0 Report post Posted January 2, 2012 I doubt MH is going to use the extra 744s to upgrade another destination, so is it safe to assume they'll just lie around KUL? Gosh, it's sad seeing them lying around rather than flying. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
H C Chai 4 Report post Posted January 2, 2012 (edited) the Netherlands is in a resession right now, just like the rest of the EU: so traffic has dropped dramatically (people tend to spend holidays again in Europe, rather than far-away places like Asia), also for business people; don't think this has anything to do with the KL-MH code-share... 2012 is going to be a difficult year for EU/UK ... airlines are alreday offering some really cheap Business Class fares to the far east, I've never seen them so cheap before, they must be desperate. Edited January 2, 2012 by H C Chai Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flee 5 Report post Posted January 2, 2012 2012 is going to be a difficult year for EU/UK ... airlines are alreday offering some really cheap Business Class fares to the far east, I've never seen them so cheap before, they must be desperate. Well lets hope that pax will make a beeline for those airlines that operate the dugong! Otherwise MH will be even more screwed! B744s are really the victims of very high oil prices. However, if there is a deep recession, oil prices will probably moderate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pieter C. 5 Report post Posted January 2, 2012 Exactly!! KLM have no right to bitch about MH joining OW. Why would they...relationship is still good (KLM is even sending their 744F to MAS for D-check )... Code-share is a different matter, though... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Izanee 0 Report post Posted January 3, 2012 Pieter, thanks for your comments. I hope that the KL-MH relationship continues. Good to see that KLM still sends their 744F to MAS for service. Once MAS sells off their engineering division, that could change though! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mohd Azizul Ramli 2 Report post Posted April 8, 2014 KLM channels its traffic to Australia with Garuda, existing partnership with MH is unknown. http://airlineroute.net/2014/04/07/klga-codeshare-s14/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites