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Some can be too dramatic sometimes. Yes klia2 is no SIN,HKG or HND. Heck it is not even on par with the MTB and Sat 1 in terms of user friendliness. But if compared to the original LCCT it is galaxies better. Regular users of AK and the original LCCT that I personally know all appreciate klia2 with the exception of the long walking time to the gates. Yes there are areas in need of improvement but to dismiss it altogether is a bit silly.

 

couldn't agree more..functionality wise..its there...as long it gets you from point A to B safely..I'm happy with it..hey..i still miss the old IKEA-ish LCCT!

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Some can be too dramatic sometimes. Yes klia2 is no SIN,HKG or HND. Heck it is not even on par with the MTB and Sat 1 in terms of user friendliness. But if compared to the original LCCT it is galaxies better. Regular users of AK and the original LCCT that I personally know all appreciate klia2 with the exception of the long walking time to the gates. Yes there are areas in need of improvement but to dismiss it altogether is a bit silly.

 

 

couldn't agree more..functionality wise..its there...as long it gets you from point A to B safely..I'm happy with it..hey..i still miss the old IKEA-ish LCCT!

 

Airport terminal is a transportation hub, functionality and user friendliness; KLIA2 is designed to maximize rental collection, pax are forced to walk through shops.

 

If design priority was not given to shopping at remote contact pier, departure elevation difference with gate could be reduced.

 

If tunnel instead of sky bridge is used, elevation difference could be reduced substantially which improved user friendliness.

 

To accommodate arrival duty free shop, pre-immigration clearance area is reduced.

 

At LCCT, average time for bag on belt was 30 minutes. At KLIA2, if aircraft is parked at remote contact pier, average time for bag on belt is about 50 minutes.

 

Given design deficiency, if AK/D7 or OD to provide transit service, minimum transfer/connection time at KLIA2 could be over 80 minutes.

 

Comparing with just opened T2, Hanoi, KLIA2 is a world apart in user friendliness.

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Almost every new airport or newly refurbished airport I've been to in the past few years have one thing in common. It's all about retail space.

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Airport terminal is a transportation hub, functionality and user friendliness; KLIA2 is designed to maximize rental collection, pax are forced to walk through shops.

 

If design priority was not given to shopping at remote contact pier, departure elevation difference with gate could be reduced.

 

If tunnel instead of sky bridge is used, elevation difference could be reduced substantially which improved user friendliness.

 

To accommodate arrival duty free shop, pre-immigration clearance area is reduced.

 

At LCCT, average time for bag on belt was 30 minutes. At KLIA2, if aircraft is parked at remote contact pier, average time for bag on belt is about 50 minutes.

 

Given design deficiency, if AK/D7 or OD to provide transit service, minimum transfer/connection time at KLIA2 could be over 80 minutes.

 

Comparing with just opened T2, Hanoi, KLIA2 is a world apart in user friendliness.

 

How else can MAB get any revenue? The passenger service charge of klia2 is half that of the main terminal even though god knows it should have been more.

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How else can MAB get any revenue? The passenger service charge of klia2 is half that of the main terminal even though god knows it should have been more.

Even if we disregard the fact it's an airport for lcc, klia2 is in many ways an impressive airport. Malaysians complain too much. And yes, their service charge should be higher. It's unfair to airlines and passengers using klia

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The warning bells for this scenario were always there. MAB just didn't listen.

 

They will be in a predicament for years to come. MAB will want to increase charges for klia2, but AirAsia will be quick to remind them that they didn't ask for such a facility, and hence shouldn't be expected to pay the "price" now.

 

The difference in charges between KLIA and klia2 isn't justifiable if you were an airline operating out of KLIA, especially anchor tenant Malaysia Airlines.

 

klia2 has been built and is here to stay, so there isn't any point in discussing the what-ifs and could-haves.

 

The government needs to spend more to upgrade KLIA. For an airport that opened just before the turn of the century, it looks like a tired old lady. Compare this with say, Changi's Terminal 1, which was designed in the 70's.

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If tunnel instead of sky bridge is used, elevation difference could be reduced substantially which improved user friendliness.

 

Wouldn't that be a greater elevation difference though? Departure several storeys up and a tunnel underground?

 

 

 

The government needs to spend more to upgrade KLIA. For an airport that opened just before the turn of the century, it looks like a tired old lady. Compare this with say, Changi's Terminal 1, which was designed in the 70's.

 

Well, a superficial facelift will always make any old building look new...

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Just wonder, if MAB just build the new runway and let Tony Fernandez and company design the terminal, how would it looks like?

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How else can MAB get any revenue? The passenger service charge of klia2 is half that of the main terminal even though god knows it should have been more.

MAHB could have shops but doesn't mean pax have to walk through them involunteerly e.g. T2 @HAN.

 



Even if we disregard the fact it's an airport for lcc, klia2 is in many ways an impressive airport. Malaysians complain too much. And yes, their service charge should be higher. It's unfair to airlines and passengers using klia

Thought Malaysians are complacent, will trade grandness with functionality.

 



 

Wouldn't that be a greater elevation difference though? Departure several storeys up and a tunnel underground?

 

 

 

Well, a superficial facelift will always make any old building look new...

 

http://s962.photobucket.com/user/azizzul/media/elevation1.gif.html

 

http://s962.photobucket.com/user/azizzul/media/elevation2.gif.html

 

Referring to the above elevation; MTB departure level is controlled by the sky bridge. Hence, steep escalator is needed to reach contact pier.

 

Original arrival escalator design at MTB has changed to accommodate arrival duty free shop.

If tunnel (3m below ground level) is used instead of skybridge, elevation difference with aerobidge level is certain will be smaller.

 

In most modern terminals e.g. SIN, T2 HAN, T4 LHR, etc departure/arrival level is about +/- 3m from aerobridge level. Hence, short ramp to reach either departure or arrival level, will still leave enough space for services at ground level.

 

Just wonder, if MAB just build the new runway and let Tony Fernandez and company design the terminal, how would it looks like?

Link between MTB and remote MTB will be like NRT.

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Actually I don't think that KLIA 2 has too much retail space. Before check in, yes it is a mall, but after that, within the secure area itself there is actually very little retail space compared to other airports.

 

Look at Frankfurt new A or Z gate areas, new Zurich departureand arrival, Sao Paolo T3 arrival, Sydney departure, bogota departure, London T2... Far more retail and in most of them you are forced to walk through the duty free retail areas.

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Just wonder, if MAB just build the new runway and let Tony Fernandez and company design the terminal, how would it looks like?

Something like KLIA East @ Labu.

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The PAC report also recommended that the RM2 passenger service charge (PSC) levied on commuters traveling between KLIA and klia2 or vice versa be abolished.

 

It said this was because the rail link was within the airport compound, which fell under airport operator Malaysia Airports Holdings Berhad's (MAHB) jurisdiction.

 

"The cost should be shouldered by MAHB and the RM2 charge should be abolished," the report further stated.

 

The report also said the justification of the RM2 charge for maintenance and operational purposes was "inaccurate", as klia2's opening had seen an increase in ERL ridership, with passenger numbers exceeding the original projection.

 

It was initially estimated that 1.07 million people, or 3,000 a day, will use the facility, which will give a projected revenue of RM2.14 million a year.

 

But since the opening of klia2, the number of commuters has increased by 28%.

 

Additionally, the PAC pointed out the RM100 million contract by Putrajaya to ERL is from government funds.

 

"The RM100 million financing grant for the construction of the ERL link should be studied in depth since the government allowed part of the PSC collection be channelled to ERL as revenue despite commuters not using the facility," said the report.

 

- See more at: http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/pac-finds-conflict-of-interest-in-klia-klia2-rail-link#sthash.3PhhKlED.dpuf

 

Construction paid by taxpayers and yet all pax still need to pay ERL regardless. Who say there is no such thing as profit guaranteed business with zero capital?

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Construction paid by taxpayers and yet all pax still need to pay ERL regardless. Who say there is no such thing as profit guaranteed business with zero capital?

Nothing new here - fed govt. paid for the widening of PLUSway but PLUS collects all the tolls without repaying the govt. for the construction costs.

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Nothing new here - fed govt. paid for the widening of PLUSway but PLUS collects all the tolls without repaying the govt. for the construction costs.

To be fair, PLUS is owned by EPF & Khazanah so any profits are indirectly returned to the taxpayers in the form of dividends to EPF, and to Khazanah to be plowed back into MH...

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To be fair, PLUS is owned by EPF & Khazanah so any profits are indirectly returned to the taxpayers in the form of dividends to EPF, and to Khazanah to be plowed back into MH...

If plus highway is toll free, cost of living and cost of business will be lower, and the aggregate economy will be more efficient.

 

If mh is truly independent, it would not have cost taxpayers multiple billions RM.

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If plus highway is toll free, cost of living and cost of business will be lower, and the aggregate economy will be more efficient.

 

If mh is truly independent, it would not have cost taxpayers multiple billions RM.

 

PLUS & MH is just a small bits of a bigger picture, don't forget about the automotive....

the fundamental goes back to.... IF there's not much cronies to taken care of.... our live could have been better. And Malaysia requires a stronger consumer association, everytime something being implemented, things surely goes up... oops, sorry out of topic a bit. Anyway, KLIA2 i woud say is way better than the old LCCT, i haven't been to KLIA2 but LCCT wasn't to my likings (per my last visit). Perhaps they should do something similiar to KKIA as well? Their T2 is getting too crowded!

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PLUS & MH is just a small bits of a bigger picture, don't forget about the automotive....

the fundamental goes back to.... IF there's not much cronies to taken care of.... our live could have been better. And Malaysia requires a stronger consumer association, everytime something being implemented, things surely goes up... oops, sorry out of topic a bit.

 

Don’t worry dear, understand your intended out of topic message :-)

 

KLIA2 is a far-sighted project, just like Penang Bridge (Now have 2nd bridge and future rm6 billion tunnel mega project), Putrajaya, Iskandar Malaysia and others including Proton/Perodua/Modenas (creates know-how tech and few hundred thousand jobs in its supply chain). Unfortunately, we are being vaccinated with words like ‘cronies’, ‘waste’ and others, from groups that not helping us becoming a prosperous nation. At the end, these projects proved beneficial to the rakyat.

 

Face the reality of another parties packed with cronies and their family members. Nothing impressed from them ruling three states in Malaysia after two GE. No hope at all.

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Dont worry dear, understand your intended out of topic message :-)

 

KLIA2 is a far-sighted project, just like Penang Bridge (Now have 2nd bridge and future rm6 billion tunnel mega project), Putrajaya, Iskandar Malaysia and others including Proton/Perodua/Modenas (creates know-how tech and few hundred thousand jobs in its supply chain). Unfortunately, we are being vaccinated with words like cronies, waste and others, from groups that not helping us becoming a prosperous nation. At the end, these projects proved beneficial to the rakyat.

 

Face the reality of another parties packed with cronies and their family members. Nothing impressed from them ruling three states in Malaysia after two GE. No hope at all.

Building infrastructure is a gomen responsibility. Comparing with China, which started 20 years behind us have overtaken us in infrastructure.

 

Korean Hyundai, Samsung, LG, thai red bull, Cp are world class companies. While proton is back to assembly CKD.

 

Klia2 is known in the industry for case study for what not to do.

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Dont worry dear, understand your intended out of topic message :-)

 

KLIA2 is a far-sighted project, just like Penang Bridge (Now have 2nd bridge and future rm6 billion tunnel mega project), Putrajaya, Iskandar Malaysia and others including Proton/Perodua/Modenas (creates know-how tech and few hundred thousand jobs in its supply chain). Unfortunately, we are being vaccinated with words like cronies, waste and others, from groups that not helping us becoming a prosperous nation. At the end, these projects proved beneficial to the rakyat.

 

Face the reality of another parties packed with cronies and their family members. Nothing impressed from them ruling three states in Malaysia after two GE. No hope at all.

Budget for most infrastructure project is controlled by the Federal gomen, states gomen is not allowed to borrow and depend on Federal gomen handout to meet budget. Hence, states gomen lack funding to implement any sizeable infrastructure.

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Travelled through KLIA2 few times this year. Luggage retrieval took more than one hour after the plane landed. This must be another world record for MAB. Even ever-crowded LHR is more efficient than KLIA2.

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Travelled through KLIA2 few times this year. Luggage retrieval took more than one hour after the plane landed. This must be another world record for MAB. Even ever-crowded LHR is more efficient than KLIA2.

Yeah they are quite slow. Was on a D7 flight in May and the plane was hardly full and we landed at around 5.45 am - not rush hour. After walking all the way from the gate slowly, and stopping to freshen up at the toilets, I still had to wait about 20 mins before the luggage appeared... Looks like their "upgraded" baggage handling system is not quite efficient!

 

One more point - no klia2 worker seems too interested in removing those plastic buckets they use for loose luggage. So they clog up the belt. Some "good samaritan" pax (including me) helped to remove them and stacked them away from the belt...

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