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CNN reported that cockpit crew survived moments ago. Thought that with their thoughts we might understand the nature of the crash easily. A sad day for aviation. Rip to those who perished

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Really strange really as "such things don't happen in The Netherlands".

 

Pieter what was the previous big incidint on Schiphol? PH-TKC in December 1997?

 

R.I.P to the victims of TCJGE

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Really strange really as "such things don't happen in The Netherlands".

 

Pieter what was the previous big incidint on Schiphol? PH-TKC in December 1997?

 

R.I.P to the victims of TCJGE

 

From BBC

 

SCHIPHOL ACCIDENTS

27 October 2005: A fire at the airport's detention centre killed 11 people and injured 15

4 April 1994: Three people were killed and 13 seriously injured when a KLM flight carrying 24 people crashed on landing

4 October 1992: An El Al Boeing 747 cargo plane crashed into an apartment block after takeoff, killing 47 people

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7909683.stm

 

 

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From BBC

 

SCHIPHOL ACCIDENTS

27 October 2005: A fire at the airport's detention centre killed 11 people and injured 15

4 April 1994: Three people were killed and 13 seriously injured when a KLM flight carrying 24 people crashed on landing

4 October 1992: An El Al Boeing 747 cargo plane crashed into an apartment block after takeoff, killing 47 people

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7909683.stm

 

Transavia Airlines Flight 462 was a Boeing 757-200, registered PH-TKC, that was damaged apon landing at Amsterdam Airport Schiphol in 1997. On 24 December 1997, flight HV462 was damaged severly whilst landing at Amsterdam. The aircraft landed in strong, gusty winds and touched down hard with it's right maingear first. On touchdown the nosegear broke out of the doghouse. After gliding over the runway for aprox 3km, it came to rest in the grass beside the runway. Serious damage was inflicted on some electronic systems and control-cables. PH-TKC was out of service for 8 months.

 

 

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Source: Yahoo News

 

AMSTERDAM – A Turkish Airlines plane with 135 people aboard slammed into a muddy field while attempting to land at Amsterdam's main airport Wednesday. Nine people were killed and more than 50 were injured, many in serious condition, officials said.

 

The Boeing 737-800 fractured into three pieces on impact. The fuselage split in two, close to the cockpit, and the tail broke off. One engine lay almost intact near the wreck in the muddy field and the other was some 200 yards (meters) from the plane and heavily damaged, an Associated Press photographer at the scene said.

 

Flight TK1951 left Istanbul's Ataturk Airport at 8:22 a.m. (0622 GMT, 0122 EST) bound for Amsterdam, then crashed at 1031 a.m. (0931 GMT, 0431 EST) next to a runway at Schiphol Airport.

 

Turkish Transport Minister Binali Yildirim said it was "a miracle" there were not more casualties.

 

"The fact that the plane landed on a soft surface and that there was no fire helped keep the number of fatalities low," he said.

 

Survivor Huseyin Sumer told Turkish NTV television he crawled to safety out of a crack in the fuselage.

 

"We were about to land, we could not understand what was happening, some passengers screamed in panic but it happened so fast," Sumer said. He said the crash was over in five to 10 seconds.

 

The fact that the plane landed in a muddy, plowed field may have contributed to making the accident less deadly by absorbing much of the force of the hard impact, experts said. It may also have helped avert a fire resulting from ruptured fuel tanks and lines on the underside of the fuselage, which appeared to have suffered very heavy impact damage.

 

Hours after the crash, emergency crews still swarmed around the plane's cockpit.

 

At first, the airline said everyone survived. But at a news conference later, Michel Bezuijen, acting mayor of Haarlemmermeer, reported the fatalities.

 

"At this moment there are nine victims to mourn and more than 50 injured," he said. At least 25 of the injured were in serious condition and crew members were among those hurt.

 

He said there was no immediate word on the cause of the crash.

 

Turkey's state-run Anatolia news agency said pilots Hasan Tahsin, Olcay Ozgur and Murat Sezer were not injured. The agency quoted Turkish civil aviation officials but did not identify them by name.

 

The Turkish ambassador to the Netherlands, Selahattin Alpar, told Anatolia there were 72 Turks and 32 Dutch people on board. There was no information on the nationality of other passengers.

 

Candan Karlitekin, the head of the airline's board of directors, told reporters that visibility was good at the time of landing.

 

"Visibility was clear and around 5,000 yards (4,500 meters). Some 550 yards (500 meters) before landing; the plane landed on a field instead of the runway," he said.

 

"We have checked the plane's documents and there is no problem concerning maintenance," he added.

 

Turkish Airlines chief Temel Kotil said the captain, Tahsin, was very experienced and a former air force pilot. Turkish officials said the plane was built in 2002 and last underwent thorough maintenance on Dec. 22.

 

Gideon Evers, spokesman of the International Federation of Airline Pilots Associations, said the cause of the crash remained unclear. There was no indication that the crash had anything to do with fuel levels, Evers said, adding that regulations require all commercial flights to carry ample reserves.

 

"Certainly it appears to be an unusual circumstance, but as always the sensible course of action is to wait for the results of the investigation," he said.

 

According to mandatory limits, a passenger airliner must carry sufficient fuel to get to its destination, remain in holding patterns for 45 minutes, possibly divert to an alternate airport, hold for another 45 minutes, and then carry out a normal approach.

 

The initial impact with the ground appeared to have sheared off the hot engines, which could have ignited leaking fuel, and the loose soil would have absorbed it — further decreasing the risk of fire.

 

The Dutch government pledged a swift investigation.

 

"Our thoughts go out to the people who were in the plane and of course also to those who are now waiting in uncertainty to hear about the fate of their loved ones," a government statement said.

 

Wim Kok, a spokesman for the Dutch Anti-Terror Coordinator's office, said terrorism did not appear to be a factor.

 

"There are no indications whatsoever (of a terror attack)," Kok said.

 

 

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I was confused when eyewitness on CNN said that the plane actually landed on runway and didn't manage to stop on time. The images didn't support such story. The best part was that when the news first broke out, CNN said it was an Airbus A380 of Turkish.

 

My sincere condolence to the victims. And I still have high regards on Turkish.

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Latest news, after seeing the news on TV:

 

- accident happened at 0931z.

- 9 confirmed dead, incl. 3 cockpitcrew; they were only retrieved from the cockpit after approx. 9 hours as not to 'disturb' the investigation (cockpit had to be lifted to release these crewmembers).

- just over 80 people injured, ofwhich 6 are in serious condition, transported to 7 different hospitals.

- blackboxes have been retrieved and will be 'read' tomorrow.

- names of injured/deceased will not be made public (till tomorrow), as passengerlist and x-checking of wounded/save ones still in progress.

- 750 people (ambulance/firebrigade/police) assisted in this crash.

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- 9 confirmed dead, incl. 3 cockpitcrew; they were only retrieved from the cockpit after approx. 9 hours as not to 'disturb' the investigation (cockpit had to be lifted to release these crewmembers).

So the 3 cockpit crews were alive right after the crash but instead the 9 hours investigation period killed them? How could such thing is allowed to happen? That's a murder.

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- 9 confirmed dead, incl. 3 cockpitcrew; they were only retrieved from the cockpit after approx. 9 hours as not to 'disturb' the investigation (cockpit had to be lifted to release these crewmembers).

 

They were dead on impact or while waiting to be rescued?

 

RIP to the victims.

 

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So the 3 cockpit crews were alive right after the crash but instead the 9 hours investigation period killed them? How could such thing is allowed to happen? That's a murder.

 

That's a very harsh and unfounded statement, Azizul, and I did not say that in my statement !!! :angry:

Re-read it again: they were only retrieved from the cockpit after that period of time...

 

 

They were dead on impact or while waiting to be rescued?

 

They were killed on impact: tail struck 1st causing the front-part to 'whip' the terrain at a tremendous force (and breaking the front fuselage)...

According the chairman of the Dutch NTSB, the 3 cockpitcrew were crushed to death, because the panel behind their back's came forward, due to the enormous braking-power of the mud and hardly any 'sliding' of the plane was possible...

 

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Area is off-limits, so no pictures from me; however, here is a link with close-up shots:

http://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/pictures/turkish.asp

As you can see: even the farmer helped initially with the tractor/trailer :good:

 

and...

 

http://www.depers.nl/binnenland/287904/Fot...ipholcrash.html

 

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Azizul, the most probably cockpit crew lost their lives when hit the ground ,cause of possible nosewheel and nosewheel companents destroyed the cockpit from inside. I don't think so rescue teams choosed person who are survived.Generally rescue teams divides in such as theese accidents and one of part of team just only interest cockpit or flight crews. It not seems much damage from outside of cockpit but we don't know how looks like inside.

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Pieter what was the previous big incidint on Schiphol? PH-TKC in December 1997?

 

No passengers killed in the TKC mishap...

Last 'major' disaster was the KLM cityhopper Saab 340B PH-KSH, as mentioned, on the 4th of April 1993...

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Came across this and I thought it might be appropriate to post this here rather than starting a new thread.

 

From http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap_travel/20090225...rviving_crashes

 

Experts say some airliner crashes more survivable

 

By SLOBODAN LEKIC, Associated Press Writer Slobodan Lekic, Associated Press Writer – Wed Feb 25, 5:19 pm ET

 

BRUSSELS – Aviation experts say some recent airline accidents with few or no fatalities show that the chances of surviving crashes are better than ever.

 

They say fuselages are stronger, fire-retardant technology has been improved and plane crews are better trained to deal with disaster.

 

"Clearly, this is not just a matter of luck," William Voss, a former Federal Aviation Administration official who is president of the Flight Safety Foundation in Alexandria, Va., said Wednesday after most passengers and crew survived a jetliner crash in the Netherlands.

 

Many accidents don't have such outcomes, of course. Just two weeks ago, a commuter airliner crashed while trying to land in Buffalo, N.Y., killing all 49 people on the plane and a man on the ground.

 

Experts say most survivable accidents occur at or near airports, generally when a problem occurs during take-off or landing, but when pilots are able to maintain control, maneuvering to soften the final impact.

 

On Wednesday, a Turkish Airlines Boeing 737-800 slammed into a muddy field just two miles from the runway at Amsterdam's Schiphol Airport. Most of the 134 people on board survived, with nine people killed. More than 50 suffered injuries.

 

The 7-year-old airliner is part of Boeing's 737 family of jets, which first entered service 40 years ago. But the 737 has been extensively re-engineered and redesigned since its introduction, and the current version bears little resemblance to the 1960s-era original.

 

In the case of Flight TK1951, the fuselage broke into three large pieces, cracking along stress lines just ahead of the wings' leading edges and in front of the tail unit.

 

It was the latest in a series of accidents the past five years that produced surprisingly few fatalities:

 

• An Air France Airbus 340 crash-landed at the Toronto airport in 2005. The aircraft was destroyed in the hard landing and ensuing fire, but all passengers and crew escaped unharmed.

 

• A British Airways Boeing 777 landed just short of the runway at London's Heathrow Airport on Jan. 17, 2008, after losing power on the final approach. The airframe was destroyed, but no one died.

 

• A Continental Airlines Boeing 737-500 veered off a runway Dec. 20 and slid into a snowy field at the Denver airport, injuring 38 people but causing no fatalities.

 

• Last month, all 155 people on board a US Airways Airbus A320 survived a ditching into the Hudson River off New York City's west side after both engines lost power from striking a flock of birds.

 

"What's notable about all those is that we've seen a number of recent-model aircraft involved in accidents that have been survivable," Voss said.

 

Experts cite engineering advances to produce strengthened fuselages that hold together better, and better fire-retardant technologies in cabin seats and furnishings. They also say both cockpit and cabin crews are better trained.

 

"Decades of lessons have obviously been applied to cabin design and its survivability, and the cabin crews are doing their jobs on evacuation," Voss said.

 

The advances have limits. Experts say chances of survival remain minimal in cases of in flight emergencies involving massive structural failure, such as from a bomb explosion, or in instances when a plane is inadvertently flown into a hill or mountain.

 

Even some emergencies have good outcomes. Last July, an oxygen tank exploded on a Qantas jetliner over the South China Sea, ripping a hole in the floor the size of a small car and causing the plane to fall nearly 20,000 feet. It made an emergency landing and everyone survived.

 

Authorities say commercial flying is at its safest in a 100-year history.

 

"Contrary to popular belief, most aircraft crashes are now survivable," said Gideon Ewers, spokesman for the London-based International Federation of Airline Pilots Associations.

 

According to the International Air Transport Association, 502 people died in airliner accidents around the world last year, compared to 692 in 2007. That was despite an increase in the total number of crashes, from 100 to 109, its latest report said.

 

The association said there was one airliner accident for every 1.2 million flights.

 

"Safety is the industry's number one priority," Giovanni Bisignani, IATA's director general, said in a statement accompanying the report. "Today's statistics confirm that traveling by air is one the safest things that a person can do."

 

Sad to hear the cockpit crew didn't make it. RIP.

Edited by waiping

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Turkish Airliner Crashes At Schiphol, 9 Dead

 

February 25, 2009

 

A Turkish Airlines plane with 134 passengers and crew aboard crashed in light fog while trying to land at Amsterdam's Schiphol Airport on Wednesday, killing nine people and injuring dozens.

 

Officials said some 84 people were taken to hospitals, including 25 who were severely hurt, when flight TK 1951 from Istanbul crashed into a field short of a runway at Schiphol, Europe's fifth-largest airport by passenger volume.

 

Six were in critical condition.

 

"We cannot say anything about the cause at the moment," acting local mayor Michel Bezuijen told reporters. "The priority... is providing help and care."

 

The bodies of three crew members, left in the cockpit amid the plane's wreckage for investigation, were later taken out. Dutch media said the pilot and co-pilot were among the dead.

 

Officials said they had found the plane's flight data recorder and that it would be analysed.

 

Earlier, Dutch officials said 135 people were on board the plane, but that was revised to 134.

 

Dutch television showed what appeared to be covered bodies on the ground near the crumpled, single-aisle Boeing 737-800.

 

At least four Americans, who work for the plane's manufacturer Boeing, were on the plane, an official said.

 

The airliner lay in three parts, with the tail section of the fuselage ripped off, and a wide crack just behind the cockpit. The engines had broken off and no fire was visible.

 

The plane broke up when it collided with the ground north of a runway at Schiphol, which is 20 km (12 miles) southwest of Amsterdam's centre. Survivors were rushed to hospitals in Amsterdam as well as nearby Haarlem and other cities.

 

"We fell suddenly and stopped," said a passenger who gave only his surname, Mutlucan. "There was a lot of screaming. We crashed and landed in what looked like a field."

 

"The pilot told us we would be landing in 15 minutes, but seven or eight minutes later we hit the ground."

 

LIGHT WINDS

 

Weather reports at the time of the crash indicated decent visibility despite misty conditions, and light winds.

 

"I thought it was a car collision. We heard a sort of loud and strange sound," eyewitness Randy Cordes, 14, said. "I saw one engine that was burning but the fire died quickly."

 

Officials said late on Wednesday they were still trying to confirm passenger identities, which included Dutch, Turkish and US nationals.

 

A flight from Istanbul carrying relatives of crash victims landed later on Wednesday. (it was A321 TC-JRB)

 

The Turkish airliner crashed 1 mile (1.6 km) short of the "polderbaan" runway, the furthest from terminal buildings, on an approach from the north between Schiphol and Haarlem.

 

Dutch Transport Minister Camiel Eurlings has said Turkish Airlines met all safety regulations at Schiphol, but added in a statement that the cause of the accident will be investigated.

 

"The pilot is an experienced one who is a former member of the Turkish Air Force," Turkish Airlines chief executive Temel Kotil said.

 

Wednesday's crash was the 11th accident involving a Turkish Airlines flight in the past 20 years, the NLR Air Traffic Safety Institute in Amsterdam said in a statement.

 

Turkish Airlines had a troublesome safety record in the 1970s, with 608 lives lost in around two years, but the modern airline's safety record has improved. Wednesday's crash was its second fatal incident this decade, according to the Flight Safety Foundation.

 

The crash appeared to be the worst at Schiphol since an El Al cargo plane crashed into high-rise apartment blocks in 1992, killing 43 people, 39 of them on the ground.

 

(Reuters)

 

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How they compare this accidents?

 

• An Air France Airbus 340 crash-landed at the Toronto airport in 2005. The aircraft was destroyed in the hard landing and ensuing fire, but all passengers and crew escaped unharmed

 

AirFrance A340 has been landed but slipped from runway due heavy landing, did not hit the ground or made emergency landing

 

• A British Airways Boeing 777 landed just short of the runway at London's Heathrow Airport on Jan. 17, 2008, after losing power on the final approach. The airframe was destroyed, but no one died.

 

that T7 has at least engine power as report even be iddle or close to iddle.they were too lucky, becouse they lost the power from very close the runway.If they crashed before 1nm, yes, we should get the same category.

 

• A Continental Airlines Boeing 737-500 veered off a runway Dec. 20 and slid into a snowy field at the Denver airport, injuring 38 people but causing no fatalities.

 

the same as AirFrance. but if you talk about Littlerock accident with American MD80, that was a fatal accident compare with Continental. Result; not suitable example!

 

• Last month, all 155 people on board a US Airways Airbus A320 survived a ditching into the Hudson River off New York City's west side after both engines lost power from striking a flock of birds.

 

just only this accident acceptable in the same case with a little exceptions, ditching is much more better to try to land. But they were really lucky and pilots were amazing for success landing perform without engines.

 

so A.P reporters makes nonsense!

 

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I think what they were trying to say was that most air accidents happens during takeoff or landing and in all those accidents the survival rate is quite high. It would be a bit off if they compare other fatal accidents that happened during flights.

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